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    From James Madison, Federalist 10

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    No man is allowed to be a judge in his own cause because his interest would certainly bias his judgment, and, not improbably, corrupt his integrity. With equal, nay with greater reason, a body of men are unfit to be both judges and parties at the same time; yet what are many of the most important acts of legislation but so many judicial determinations, not indeed concerning the rights of single persons, but concerning the rights of large bodies of citizens?

    And a quote from George Washington.


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    Legislatures, through a long succession of years, are laid open for our use, and their collected wisdom may be happily applied in the Establishment of our forms of Government; the free cultivation of Letters, the unbounded extension of Commerce, the progressive refinement of Manners, the growing liberality of sentiment, and above all, the pure and benign light of Revelation, have had a meliorating influence on mankind and increased the blessings of Society. At this auspicious period,

    the United States came into existence as a Nation, and if their Citizens should not be completely free and happy, the fault will be entirely their own.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayou Magic View Post
    Not picking on you, Brad, but the quantity of executive orders is irrelevant. It is the subject and content of those EOs that matter. I could give you extensive, long, and boring details about some of them as I along with many others, were responsible for implementing and complying with them. For example, check out EO 13514. It's a real doozie!

    Circumventing congress to write widespread laws that apply to the entire nation will be difficult, if not impossible. However, EOs that pertain to federal government entities that go beyond congressional actions are common. They can place restrictions on federal agencies and force compulsory actions on federal agencies that are far more restrictive than the laws that apply to the public. Again, check out EO 13514. And that's just one example.

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    I am in complete agreement with you. The executive order should only be used to make sure existing laws are carried out, not to make new ones IMO A President should NEVER be allowed to weasel his way around Congress. This President thinks that if he dosen't get his way, he can just use this power to do whatever he wants.
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    Probably wrong thread if so sorry. Unfortunately I think a combination of executive orders and more importantly taxes will prove to be the strategy. Most idiots will not see any problem with this and the cost of recreational shooting will put a large damper on future purchases while not infringing on gun rights. Huge taxes will curb any activity. What a sad road were going down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppro View Post
    Probably wrong thread if so sorry. Unfortunately I think a combination of executive orders and more importantly taxes will prove to be the strategy. Most idiots will not see any problem with this and the cost of recreational shooting will put a large damper on future purchases while not infringing on gun rights. Huge taxes will curb any activity. What a sad road were going down.
    IMO that is EXACTLY the strategy they will use....ammo will be taxed like gasoline or cigarettes..you think a box of 209 primers for your Gun X training pistol is high now, a 5lb canister of powder or a 25lb bag of lead shot will rival the street equivalent of a bag of marijuana...besides a hunting license, I can see a day where there will be some sort of firearms user tax/license...people who are now actively engaged in shooting sports (skeet,trap,sporting clays,IPSC) and similar activities will no longer participate because of the outrageous costs
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    IMO that is EXACTLY the strategy they will use....ammo will be taxed like gasoline or cigarettes..you think a box of 209 primers for your Gun X training pistol is high now, a 5lb canister of powder or a 25lb bag of lead shot will rival the street equivalent of a bag of marijuana...besides a hunting license, I can see a day where there will be some sort of firearms user tax/license...people who are now actively engaged in shooting sports (skeet,trap,sporting clays,IPSC) and similar activities will no longer participate because of the outrageous costs
    And I'm sure that various anti-gun groups and individuals have been working on exactly how to do this taxation over a long period of time.

    I know most on the Forum have little use for Rush L, but he threw out an interesting thought yesterday. He didn't believe that the Obamacare law, with its 2200 pages, was a matter of two months of work. He believes progressives have had people tasked with composing such a law over a long period of time ... since Hillary tried health care renovation long ago, I honestly believe he's correct. Why did Congress have to read the bill? Because they did not author it ... it was done for them.

    This absolutely would apply to gun control supporters ... I'm sure they've been busy, under the radar, composing the means for instituting their "dream gun laws" ever since the mission began. Too bad gun rights supporters haven't been working as hard on composing the laws that could be used to prevent the tragedies like Newtown. The difference here is between action and reaction.

    Seems like the Constitutional-minded Americans are always in the mode of reacting, rather than taking a leadership perspective. Changing that mindset could make a big difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    And I'm sure that various anti-gun groups and individuals have been working on exactly how to do this taxation over a long period of time.

    I know most on the Forum have little use for Rush L, but he threw out an interesting thought yesterday. He didn't believe that the Obamacare law, with its 2200 pages, was a matter of two months of work. He believes progressives have had people tasked with composing such a law over a long period of time ... since Hillary tried health care renovation long ago, I honestly believe he's correct. Why did Congress have to read the bill? Because they did not author it ... it was done for them.

    This absolutely would apply to gun control supporters ... I'm sure they've been busy, under the radar, composing the means for instituting their "dream gun laws" ever since the mission began. Too bad gun rights supporters haven't been working as hard on composing the laws that could be used to prevent the tragedies like Newtown. The difference here is between action and reaction.

    Seems like the Constitutional-minded Americans are always in the mode of reacting, rather than taking a leadership perspective. Changing that mindset could make a big difference.

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    Is it true that they are trying to sneak through a repeal of presidential term limits ? I mean to plant it into another bill so soerto gets to be president for life . I'm faily sure he would be re elected numerous times , since we can't figure out how to beat him.Very scary.

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