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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Blimp View Post
    It's only common courtesy to ask permission; we should always do it.

    Most of the areas that I train in that are "public places" are very sympathetic to dog trainers. Many don't want guns and bangy launchers used, but being a nation of dog lovers everybody enjoys seeing the dogs working and having a good time. A lot of passersby, usually utterly uncomprehending of gundogs and what they are all about come over for a nose around and a chat. It's a great opportunity to show shooting sports in a happy and positive light, a point that won't be lost by my chums in the US. If you are going to ask permission to train anywhere it's wise to take a copy of your Public Liability Insurance with you; at the very least it demonstrates you're a responsible type, not some sort of passing idiot. Mine comes with my membership of a hunting and conservation group very roughly analogous to the NRA. Do they do something similar?

    Just a final thought on golf courses; some are plagued by rabbits and have members sensitive to shooting gassing and trapping. The Secretary might well be interested to hear from someone who walks the course out of playing hours with a labrador that looks like this one ...



    My friend Sean has a quiet arrangement with the Sec of his local club to "exercise" his lurchers. A local course allows a few of us to drift around in the gloaming with an air rifle. So there are all sorts of opportunities!

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    Didn't realize that ya'll could have air rifles. (or is that Ireland?) With all the nonsense going on here at the moment, perhaps you could give us a bit of a primer on how one gets to have possession of a firearm in Jolly Olde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Blimp View Post
    Mike, before The Belfry was a golf course, I shot skeet on what is now the ninth (?) fairway. The Management and Blimp went on their on our first date. Scored!

    Living Villains are hard to catch right now; the streets are clogging up with dead 'uns lobbing themselves off the back of the Holte End.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Blimp View Post
    Mike, before The Belfry was a golf course, I shot skeet on what is now the ninth (?) fairway. The Management and Blimp went on their on our first date. Scored!
    Now Eug, if you recollect having done anything connubial at The Reddings before its untimely development, I'll have to put you up there with ol' Rowdy Randy Richard Harris. Go Mose!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaeganW View Post
    That's what I get for asking a question with an answer I don't want to hear. Who should I ask permission from? I can go over to the clubhouse, but I don't even know if it's open yet.

    Okay this is land I DO have permission to train on. It's a public dog training area in Kettle Moraine North. I've been there a couple times and I've seen evidence that other people are using it (shotgun shells, tire tracks) but I've never run in to any one.


    I'm standing on the edge of the parking lot, facing north. There's about 50% more land behind the farthest hill you can see.

    I've run Carol Cassidy's X-drill from Building a Retriever here when I have a helper, and today we did roving singles from Training Retrievers Alone. I'm concerned I'm not helping my dog develop marking skills. Which is why I'm looking for suggestions as to what I should be throwing. Is there a good way to guesstimate distances? Marsh has had a lot more obedience/yard work than field work, since I'm much more competent in that arena.

    But at least he's damn steady!

    I have trained at this exact place. Start simple with marking. If you get up on some of the hills you have really good marking locations. Take note of wind when setting up marks. Pull up Google Maps and use the "ruler" feature in the bottom left and you can do a decent job of marking off distances otherwise get a laser range finder if you are truly concerned about distances. Be creative and maybe think about purchasing Lardy's video on building marking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Number Seven View Post
    I have trained at this exact place. Start simple with marking. If you get up on some of the hills you have really good marking locations. Take note of wind when setting up marks. Pull up Google Maps and use the "ruler" feature in the bottom left and you can do a decent job of marking off distances otherwise get a laser range finder if you are truly concerned about distances. Be creative and maybe think about purchasing Lardy's video on building marking.
    Thanks, the google maps thing is a good tip.

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    With all the nonsense going on here at the moment, perhaps you could give us a bit of a primer on how one gets to have possession of a firearm in Jolly Olde.
    Harry, The position is IMO deeply unsatisfactory, but nevertheless not quite as grim as some in the US seem to believe.

    To obtain a first shotgun I need to apply for a Shotgun Certificate. This is a somewhat bureaucratic process but once you've done it, it's pretty trouble free thereafter; every subsequent transaction that I make, wether buying or selling is recorded on the Cert, make, serial number, addresses, the lot.

    To obtain a first rifle I need to apply for a Firearms Licence. Again a PITA, but once under way no real problem; transactions are recorded as for shotguns.

    Air rifles are sold without restriction if they deliver 12 ft lbs or below. Above that limit they are regarded as traditional rifles.

    If I want a handgun (other than black powder) I need to join the IRA or the local druggies.

    Our hunting laws and customs are by contrast much more generous that those in the US. Hunt with an eight bore, four bore, punt gun ... no problem or restriction. Silencers for shotguns are fine, for rifles you just need to note them on the paperwork. No bag limit, no tagging, five month seasons ...

    That's a very short version, so if you or anyone else has any questions, fire away.

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    If you are training with those big snow drifts present be careful of them and don't send the dog through an area where their feet are punching through. A sometime training partner's dog punched through a snow drift running fast and tore up some ligaments in a front ankle. They wound up having to fuse bones and that was the end of her trialing career. They are worse when it's going through a freeze thaw cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Blimp View Post
    Harry, The position is IMO deeply unsatisfactory, but nevertheless not quite as grim as some in the US seem to believe.

    To obtain a first shotgun I need to apply for a Shotgun Certificate. This is a somewhat bureaucratic process but once you've done it, it's pretty trouble free thereafter; every subsequent transaction that I make, wether buying or selling is recorded on the Cert, make, serial number, addresses, the lot.

    To obtain a first rifle I need to apply for a Firearms Licence. Again a PITA, but once under way no real problem; transactions are recorded as for shotguns.

    Air rifles are sold without restriction if they deliver 12 ft lbs or below. Above that limit they are regarded as traditional rifles.

    If I want a handgun (other than black powder) I need to join the IRA or the local druggies.

    Our hunting laws and customs are by contrast much more generous that those in the US. Hunt with an eight bore, four bore, punt gun ... no problem or restriction. Silencers for shotguns are fine, for rifles you just need to note them on the paperwork. No bag limit, no tagging, five month seasons ...

    That's a very short version, so if you or anyone else has any questions, fire away.

    EUg
    Thanks, and it's Hugh.

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    I am intrigued by the British Field Trials and some of the terrain and cover our dogs get to pick up birds on. Can spectators go and watch the dogs pick up or is it invitation only?

    Are there any places on the internet that the British Trials/hunts are posted? I have checked several times and most of the videos were interviews of the people and showed very little of the dogs working.

    I also have some questions about how british trainers use the hunt 'em up whistle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Adams View Post
    The nice thing about golf courses is if you goof up your training session...you get a mulligan.
    Wish they would hold a trial there. I've always needed a mulligan.

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