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    [QUOTE=Keith Farmer;1057165]Steve:




    On and off the first point...by the other two.





    There is plenty of room between the points. The more experienced dogs got on and off as directed, pushed a little left of the second point then started pushing off of the last point which afforded the opportunity for a left back-cast to drive them closer to the point but not get on...


    That was what I was expecting to hear ...thanks ..Steve S
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    That looks like an awesome blind, I would love to have ground like that to train on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve schreiner View Post
    Did you expect the dogs to stay wet ? How tight was the line between the points? Steve S
    Just my feelings and I wasn't there and have never seen this piece of land and water.

    In training this is what I do. In a trial, it is on one and by two.

    I've got two dogs who are quite different in water attitude. One can be a land seeking missile and in training I might handle her around all three points or around any of the two and on and off the other point. To not mess with her initial lines I would almost always handle her on and off the the first point and decide after that whether or not to put her on any of the other points. On is no problem with her, off can be, so I'd read her and run the blind according to what I thought she needed.

    My other dog is watery to a fault so in almost all cases I would put her on the close point and at least one of the later two. If we got into a fight handling onto any of the points, the next time I ran a water blind with a point way out there I'd definitely put her on.

    On a blind like this one, I'd train the dogs by what I thought they needed.

    Nice water blind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard N View Post
    Just my feelings and I wasn't there and have never seen this piece of land and water.

    In training this is what I do. In a trial, it is on one and by two.

    I've got two dogs who are quite different in water attitude. One can be a land seeking missile and in training I might handle her around all three points or around any of the two and on and off the other point. To not mess with her initial lines I would almost always handle her on and off the the first point and decide after that whether or not to put her on any of the other points. On is no problem with her, off can be, so I'd read her and run the blind according to what I thought she needed.

    My other dog is watery to a fault so in almost all cases I would put her on the close point and at least one of the later two. If we got into a fight handling onto any of the points, the next time I ran a water blind with a point way out there I'd definitely put her on.

    On a blind like this one, I'd train the dogs by what I thought they needed.

    Nice water blind.
    I agree, in training with dogs of different attitude, I might run it different with each depending on several things. Almost always in training if a dog seeks land, I keep them in the water, if a dog seeks water I put them on the points. Blinds are about compliance & control, so in training I exercise control based upon how the dog reacts to the set-up.
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    On a blind like this one, I'd train the dogs by what I thought they needed.


    Exactly.

    In this scenario every dog I ran required a cast to get on the point. Some I stopped and cast into the water from the point to solidify the lesson...others I let roll over the point because they demonstrated they understood the plan.




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    Nice. Can't wait until the water thaws here again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve hamel View Post
    keith,

    our water is hard and our ground is covered in white. I envy you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granddaddy View Post
    I agree, in training with dogs of different attitude, I might run it different with each depending on several things. Almost always in training if a dog seeks land, I keep them in the water, if a dog seeks water I put them on the points. Blinds are about compliance & control, so in training I exercise control based upon how the dog reacts to the set-up.
    I would add that if I cast my dog on and off a point and then took a nice cast and was swimming on a good line about to skim the next point (not seeking water or land) then I would probably not touch them. Also for me now, if the dog doesn't receive permission to get out he best stay wet.
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