Rnd & Hunt'Em'Up,
I'm with you guys! I'm an upland hunter and never hunt my dogs with an e-collar. I never train with one either! I never saw the need for gadgets. It's a dog, not a remote controlled airplane! I guess I'd rather have a working relationship than fumble for the remote control.
I'm not saying I'm against electronics. You are all free to train and hunt as you wish. I'm just a Frank Sinatra dog trainer . . . I Did It MYYYYY WAYYYYY!