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    [QUOTE=Shawn White;1058365


    300 puppies a year screams puppy mill to me. that about a 1.25 pup per day birth.[/QUOTE]

    Sorry. I have to throw the penalty flag. It's .83 puppies a day.

    Carry on!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Plesko View Post
    Sorry. I have to throw the penalty flag. It's .83 puppies a day.

    Carry on!


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    There is plenty of positive reinforcement in my training, even though I use a "SHOCK COLLAR". I ocasionally use positive verbal reinforcement when my dog has done something favorable, epecially when she is confused or stuck in a rut. I think the author would have done the reader a better service if he would have gotten another option from a trainer (Lardy, Voight, Farmer, etc.) that uses a "SHOCK COLLAR" and then let the reader decide which program will work for them....

    I have one question......how do you reward a dog that has just performed a flawless remote swimming sit at 40 yards? Do you then throw treats to the dog, hoping they will float??? Will the dog hear the positive reinforcement of the clicker when there is a brisk wind and the sit is 100 yards away?

    There are many means to an end but I prefer not to use Mr. Milner's method eventhough my dog does not deserve this type "punishment"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dooley View Post
    Gundog_2002....if your comment was aimed at Robert Milner of Duckhill Kennels.....THAT WAS A CHEAP SHOT.
    First off, i've never shocked a dog for picking up a bird, even in my less educated years. Certainly not now. He condemns compulsion trainers. Lets be real, the fact is compulsion trainers also know that success and positive training gets results. His only experience is the late 70's and 80's. Today's compulsion trainers know a heck of a lot more then way back then. I grew up in those days, i've seen it. No way I'd train like that today. I also know about health, and breeding dogs responsibly. He's willing to condemn trainers today, while at the same time pumping dogs out like a factory. None of them have today's health clearances. If he was really concerned about dogs there is no way he'd be selling that many puppies. He's a puppy mill. He found a marketing glitch and he's exposing it.

    Its not about dogs picking up birds anymore...

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    Would love to see some one call there inexperienced pup with a cookie, when it is running full boar towards a skunk or porcupine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scum Frog View Post
    Love him or hate him, people listen when Mr. Millner speaks.
    Not me. As soon as I saw the headline I knew all I needed to know. I don't hate him but I take issue with much of what he says and I believe he spreads misinformation which is generally harmful to others for personal gain.

    I have nothing to gain from reading anything he says except higher blood pressure and a foul disposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Plesko View Post
    Sorry. I have to throw the penalty flag. It's .83 puppies a day.

    Carry on!


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    "Dog trainer extraordinaire Robert Milner wants to ask sportsmen a personal question: Would you discipline your own children with a shock collar?"

    In answer to this first question - HECK YES!

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    The article was and is pure 100% Bull Shit. Milner/Stewart = charletons
    Just Win

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fran Seagren View Post
    "Dog trainer extraordinaire Robert Milner wants to ask sportsmen a personal question: Would you discipline your own children with a shock collar?"

    In answer to this first question - HECK YES!
    best first post I have seen in ages, welcome to RTF!
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