Sure miss uncle Jerry. He could explain this no problem
Black Ice Retrievers
Too many dogs to list (By some Bitch)
"Helping Hunters Train Their Dogs"
We can "steer" the punishment to what we want to punish, by timing, situation, communication, etc. But, ultimately the dog decides "where" the +P "went". And we can't tell where that was, until we recognize the change in behavior.
The fact remains, that when you apply an aversive, there is ALWAYS punishment applied to something.
Last edited by Sabireley; 01-26-2013 at 05:57 PM.
I could try to anticipate the instant the dog makes the decision to not get in. It could be on the line, or in route. Rather than give the dog a freebee cast, I could stop, correct while the sit is in progress, then cast. Or, call back with or without pressure and resend.
I will add that in the past I have created hot spots the dog learned to avoid. That does not always work so well when you try to generalize the behavior to new locations. I ended up with a dog out of balance to the watery side.
I try to give the dog the benefit of the doubt and err on the side of no pressure if I am not sure. Learning as I go...
Last edited by Sabireley; 01-26-2013 at 07:21 PM.
Testing Dogs and 'Trialling' Dogs are two different things (in my world)!...Maybe that IS! the difference between Pavlov and Skinner?...and a few more besides?
I'm off' you guy's now,and leave you to your 'games'!...Shame!...
One Shooter One Spaniel One Retriever
I'd say that if you got the same cast refusal, it wasn't effective at changing the behavior that you were trying to change.
If there was a "don't cheat" command, we could apply direct pressure to reinforce that. And I'm sure that we would all love to be able to do that.
Even if you accomplish that by making "hotspots" with I/P.
As long as the dog eventually generalizes it as meaning "the shoreline over there is hot", and that thinking results in the dog being "right", you have achieved the trained behavior that you desire.
Last edited by copterdoc; 01-26-2013 at 07:56 PM.
@ Steve B. Hi! All I am referring to there in terms of "new methods" is that I'm now of the mindset to avoid collar pressure in all but the most clear cut situations. Go/stop/come, for instance. As you mentioned, sometimes pressure can be interpreted incorrectly, thus, I would rather avoid it unless I'm pretty sure the dog is going to understand it 100%.
Last edited by DarrinGreene; 01-28-2013 at 09:10 AM.