Skinner vs Pavlov

[gdgnyc]

By definition, a reflex is inborn, does not have to be learned and has survival value. One definition of behavior is that it is anything an organism does as a response to a stimulus.

A behavior can be conditioned to become automatic. It is still a learned behavior. For example a boxer learns to slip a punch, doing so automatically through conditioning.

[CRNAret]

You guys can have Skinner and Pavlov - I'll stick with Tri Tronics

[copterdoc]

.....A behavior can be conditioned to become automatic....

Operantly, or Classically?

.....It is still a learned behavior. For example a boxer learns to slip a punch, doing so automatically through conditioning.

What kind of conditioning?

What is the stimulus that elicits the response?

[gdgnyc]

Classical conditioning is also called associative learning. Learning associations means that certain things go together. I put my whistles around my neck and my dog runs to the door to go training.

[copterdoc]

Classical conditioning is also called associative learning. Learning associations means that certain things go together. I put my whistles around my neck and my dog runs to the door to go training.

That would be a conditioned emotional response.

And yes, it is Classically conditioned.

[Criquetpas]

You guys can have Skinner and Pavlov - I'll stick with Tri Tronics

It's over my head to even think about training rats and B.F. Skinner. Agreed Tri Tronics rule.

[gdgnyc]

That would be a conditioned emotional response.

And yes, it is Classically conditioned.

Now I know that your original question is a trick question.

[copterdoc]

Now I know that your original question is a trick question.

Certainly not a trick question.

[DarrinGreene]

It's not a trick question, but it does demonstrate either.. A lack of understanding or... an extreme desire to debate semantics.

There is no comparison to be made between OC and CC. They are two separate and distinct theories that, when combined in retriever training, create and re-enforce the trained responses we want from our dogs.

The two work in tandem and not in any way exclusively from one another, thus, there's no valid comparison to be made.

[copterdoc]

It's not a trick question, but it does demonstrate either.. A lack of understanding or...

Could be that. I guess I wouldn't know.

....an extreme desire to debate semantics.....

I have no desire to debate semantics.

.....There is no comparison to be made between OC and CC. They are two separate and distinct theories that, when combined in retriever training, create and re-enforce the trained responses we want from our dogs.

The two work in tandem and not in any way exclusively from one another, thus, there's no valid comparison to be made.

There are differences. Major differences.

And those differences significantly effect both how we read a dog's responses, and how we respond (or should respond) to them.