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    By definition, a reflex is inborn, does not have to be learned and has survival value. One definition of behavior is that it is anything an organism does as a response to a stimulus.

    A behavior can be conditioned to become automatic. It is still a learned behavior. For example a boxer learns to slip a punch, doing so automatically through conditioning.
    "I love the rod and gun and where they take me."

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    You guys can have Skinner and Pavlov - I'll stick with Tri Tronics

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdgnyc View Post
    .....A behavior can be conditioned to become automatic....
    Operantly, or Classically?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgnyc View Post
    .....It is still a learned behavior. For example a boxer learns to slip a punch, doing so automatically through conditioning.
    What kind of conditioning?

    What is the stimulus that elicits the response?

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    Classical conditioning is also called associative learning. Learning associations means that certain things go together. I put my whistles around my neck and my dog runs to the door to go training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gdgnyc View Post
    Classical conditioning is also called associative learning. Learning associations means that certain things go together. I put my whistles around my neck and my dog runs to the door to go training.
    That would be a conditioned emotional response.

    And yes, it is Classically conditioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRNAret View Post
    You guys can have Skinner and Pavlov - I'll stick with Tri Tronics
    It's over my head to even think about training rats and B.F. Skinner. Agreed Tri Tronics rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post
    That would be a conditioned emotional response.

    And yes, it is Classically conditioned.
    Now I know that your original question is a trick question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gdgnyc View Post
    Now I know that your original question is a trick question.
    Certainly not a trick question.

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    It's not a trick question, but it does demonstrate either.. A lack of understanding or... an extreme desire to debate semantics.

    There is no comparison to be made between OC and CC. They are two separate and distinct theories that, when combined in retriever training, create and re-enforce the trained responses we want from our dogs.

    The two work in tandem and not in any way exclusively from one another, thus, there's no valid comparison to be made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrinGreene View Post
    It's not a trick question, but it does demonstrate either.. A lack of understanding or...
    Could be that. I guess I wouldn't know.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarrinGreene View Post
    ....an extreme desire to debate semantics.....
    I have no desire to debate semantics.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarrinGreene View Post
    .....There is no comparison to be made between OC and CC. They are two separate and distinct theories that, when combined in retriever training, create and re-enforce the trained responses we want from our dogs.

    The two work in tandem and not in any way exclusively from one another, thus, there's no valid comparison to be made.
    There are differences. Major differences.

    And those differences significantly effect both how we read a dog's responses, and how we respond (or should respond) to them.

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