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    I heard that premiums in WI will possibly go up 80% next year. so much for prices going down. Just might have to start bartering for health care.

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    Is there anyone that believes that the "Affordable Healthcare Act" benefits anyone??

    Is there any way to STOP this insanity??
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    http://townhall.com/columnists/johnc...acare-n1552872

    This article is a pretty good overview of what problems there are with the ACA. I still wonder who the heck wrote this law. Whoever it was surely didn't know much about the healthcare business.
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    The medical device tax will also impact veterinary care ...
    The tax will even be applied to sutures used on pets that Theragenics developed for the veterinary market.

    She sought FDA approval to demonstrate the quality of her products. But now she said "it's hard for me not to get frosted on this one" -- she explained that whoever wrote the regulations said "if you have FDA approval, you will be taxed."


    President Obama has vowed to veto any repeal of the tax, but Bayh notes that 79 votes in the Senate would be more than enough to override any veto.


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...#ixzz2PQi5z93P
    Earlier in the article, it was disputed whether many of the device mfrs would actually have increased usage ... when it comes to a lot of devices, they are provided for a large number of people already receiving Medicare, so there would be no appreciable increase in usage in the largest portion of their market.

    On that score, I begin to wonder, if those devices used heavily by Medicare participants, and with over $500 billion removed from Medicare to go to Obamacare, if Medicare will not increase their disbursement fee for those devices, that should definitely decrease the companies' profits. Obviously, the device tax was put in there to help offset the costs involved with Obamacare. If the smaller companies close, then there might be a scarcity of those devices for those who need them? Can those companies who survive choose to devote more of their products to ones that do not have to rely on Medicare's more restrictive reimbursement schedule? If so, would that also result in fewer of these devises, more often needed by the elderly, to become more and more scarce?

    I'm sure there's quite a generous mark-up on these devices, but if it does cause companies to reduce their R&D budgets to compensate, then the end result could also be a negative one.
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    More to be 'concerned' about, but then how could anyone not know this was going to be a scam? UB

    The ObamaCare tax credit trap

    By: John Hayward | April 2nd, 2013


    Then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi encouraged us to pass ObamaCare to find out what was in it. Here’s the latest grisly surprise, courtesy of the Associated Press:



    Millions of people who take advantage of government subsidies to help buy health insurance next year could get stung by surprise tax bills if they don’t accurately project their income.


    President Barack Obama’s new health care law will offer subsidies to help people buy private health insurance on state-based exchanges, if they don’t already get coverage through their employers. The subsidies are based on income. The lower your income, the bigger the subsidy.
    But the government doesn’t know how much money you’re going to make next year. And when you apply for the subsidy, this fall, it won’t even know how much you’re making this year. So, unless you tell the government otherwise, it will rely on the best information it has: your 2012 tax return, filed this spring.


    What happens if you or your spouse gets a raise and your family income goes up in 2014? You could end up with a bigger subsidy than you are entitled to. If that happens, the law says you have to pay back at least part of the money when you file your tax return in the spring of 2015.
    That could result in smaller tax refunds or surprise tax bills for millions of middle-income families.

    Funny, I seem to recall Barack Obama swearing that he’d never raise taxes on the Sainted Middle Class. Just wait until they get their surprise tax bills in 2015! I’m sure everyone will have a good laugh about the whole crazy situation.


    Let’s see if I’ve got this straight: when you fill out the 15-page form to apply for the subsidy needed to buy Barack Obama’s ridiculously expensive health insurance, you’ve got to estimate what you’re going to make in the coming year, and hope to God you don’t get a raise, or find a more lucrative job. No, sorry, back up: you’ve got to estimate what you and your spouse will be making. If you get it wrong, or leave the ObamaCare commissars to estimate your subsidy based on last year’s tax returns, you may well end up with a “surprise tax bill” to recover the subsidies you didn’t deserve for the health insurance you can’t really afford.


    And you’ll be spending those tax subsidies in “state exchanges” that most likely won’t be ready when you need them, because the data processing infrastructure isn’t there, and the Department of Health and Human Services is still frantically scribbling new regulations.


    The 15-page ObamaCare form drafted by the IRS does not warn of the tax credit trap, but fear not, the Administration and its allies will be launching “a multi-million dollar campaign using social media, paid advertising, and grass-roots organizing” to educate us. Great! More millions wasted on this pile of ObamaCare garbage.


    And none of the tax-hungry, regulation-happy Big Government geniuses who dreamed up ObamaCare saw this coming. Nobody saw this coming.


    “That’s scary,” says Joan Baird of Springfield, Va. “I had no idea, and I work in health care.”
    Baird, a health care information management worker, is far from alone. Health care providers, advocates and tax experts say the vast majority of Americans know very little about the new health care law, let alone the kind of detailed information many will need to navigate its system of subsidies and penalties.


    “They know it’s out there,” said Mark Cummings, who manages the H&R Block office where Baird was getting her own taxes done. “But in general, they don’t know anything about it.”


    [...] “It’s potentially going to come as a shock to individuals who meet that criteria where their income hits a point where they owe money back,” said Rep. Charles Boustany, R-La., chairman of the House Ways and Means oversight subcommittee. “The fact is, with variations in income, people could end up owing money back and that will create consternation and problems for them.”

    How much money are we talking about? Of course, none of the clowns running the ObamaCare circus can answer that question with authority, but the AP tells us Congress has already raised the repayment caps by a cool $40 billion over the next decade.


    $4 billion a year, taken straight from the hides of what used to be known as the “middle class.” Congratulations, America. Bet you can’t wait until the next “surprise” lunges from this fetid swamp of legislative failure and sinks its teeth into your throat.
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    One of the most worrisome aspects is, I think, that people who have employer-health insurance available, will not be entitled to ANY subsidy at all. If they cannot afford the extra amount for their family coverage, millions of children will be without health insurance. And I really don't know if those children would qualify for the state CHIP programs either.

    There may be a net increase in the numbers insured, but there will be others who are not insured. The irony may be that those who become insured will be heavily subsidized, while those who lose their coverage will be many who were intended to help support the overall program of subsidies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Is there anyone that believes that the "Affordable Healthcare Act" benefits anyone??

    Is there any way to STOP this insanity??
    Nope, that's why I believe" it's got to crash before we can rebuild it". A la pelousey
    Single payer is the end game boys and gurls but will he people believe Jug Ears and his idiots one Mo time?
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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...ntcmp=HPBucket
    Hmm ... so the advisory board that has been the subject of some controversy, is unlikely to be in place when it's supposed to be. Then the job of approving or denying treatments will rest with Ms. Sebelius. That should be interesting. This was the entity that Palin called a "death panel".

    Evidently, the members of this board have to be approved by Congress. The author of the piece seems to feel that the Ds aren't ready to start this conversation too close to the 2014 mid-term elections. He thinks it might even be kind of hard for them to find 15 people who want to be on such a board.

    We may not get to find out if this law can work after all, since the Ds can't seem to even get it up and running to begin with. You may recall, they've also missed the deadline on the state exchanges; and the Federal exchange that is supposed to be set up if the states don't do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post

    We may not get to find out if this law can work after all, since the Ds can't seem to even get it up and running to begin with. You may recall, they've also missed the deadline on the state exchanges; and the Federal exchange that is supposed to be set up if the states don't do so.
    And yet, all the myriad tax increases have gone into effect and the cost of obtaining health insurance has skyrocketed for all but Congress, the executive branch and all their little pets & special interests. Mr. Little may be onto something: the Obamacare Unaffordable HCA is proving to be such a fiasco that it's going to implode, which is what it's going to take to get people to open their eyes.
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    Ran across this today- pretty scary stuff.

    http://reason.com/archives/2013/04/2...medical-profes

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