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    Default Anybody been watching Egypt?

    We sent Morsi some new jets ... and now we're seeing another "Arab spring" where protestors appear as unhappy with him as they were with Mubarak.

    We sent some more humanitarian aid to Syria, and even Assad's mother left the country (his sister had left already). The demise of Assad's regime seems imminent.

    If we leave them alone, will they just self-immolate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    We sent Morsi some new jets ... and now we're seeing another "Arab spring" where protestors appear as unhappy with him as they were with Mubarak.

    We sent some more humanitarian aid to Syria, and even Assad's mother left the country (his sister had left already). The demise of Assad's regime seems imminent.

    If we leave them alone, will they just self-immolate?
    I posted a thread on this last week.
    It was summarily dismissed as no big deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    I posted a thread on this last week.
    It was summarily dismissed as no big deal.
    I don't think it's "no big deal". I think it's "the same old thing". Never changes over there. Our govt is stupid enough to give them weapons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    I don't think it's "no big deal". I think it's "the same old thing". Never changes over there. Our govt is stupid enough to give them weapons?
    Which will end up in Iran, by design!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    I posted a thread on this last week.
    It was summarily dismissed as no big deal.
    Maybe the situation has continued to worsen?

    The Egyptian army commander just was quoted saying that the stability of the govt may be in danger.

    Morsi had ordered the two top army generals to resign, which they did. That may not have been enough to keep the army from being a viable opponent to Morsi. The army didn't win any friends either during the transition to an elected govt.

    Sorry, I missed your thread ... wondered why nobody had mentioned this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    I don't think it's "no big deal". I think it's "the same old thing". Never changes over there. Our govt is stupid enough to give them weapons?
    Yep. weve got plenty of problems within our borders to be worrying about fixing somebody else's problems. Especially in light of how spectacularily futile our meddling foreign policy by bribery has been for years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    Maybe the situation has continued to worsen?

    The Egyptian army commander just was quoted saying that the stability of the govt may be in danger.

    Morsi had ordered the two top army generals to resign, which they did. That may not have been enough to keep the army from being a viable opponent to Morsi. The army didn't win any friends either during the transition to an elected govt.

    Sorry, I missed your thread ... wondered why nobody had mentioned this.
    I am with you on this, it is infuriating.
    This administrations foreign policy is much like its domestic policy.

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    Our Forign Aid is causing a dangerous Arms Race.

    This story was posted on Rand's Facebook page...

    Earlier this month, I flew to Israel to join Senator Rand Paul on a fact-finding tour. It’s his first visit to Israel, my third. Senator Paul is a new member of the powerful Foreign Relations Committee, so he got first class treatment, meeting privately with Prime Minister Netanyahu, the mayor of Jerusalem, and the King of Jordan, as well as military and business leaders.
    Our tour group visited at all the major tourist spots, including the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, the Dead Sea, Masada, Bethlehem, and Jerusalem. We stayed at a hotel right on the Sea of Galilee run by a kibbutz. In the hotel room, the management announced that the hotel used to be a traditional kibbutz, where everyone was paid the same salary and had everything in common, but now had switched to a “private” market to provide incentives and keep the younger generation from leaving.
    I witnessed first hand how Israel has made significant progress economically over the past 30 years, largely by gradually abandoning socialism and adopting market-friendly reforms. Meanwhile, other Middle Eastern countries like Egypt show no improvement at all.
    One of the major issues on the trip was foreign aid to Israel. Senator Paul told me that he has two major objections to foreign aid. First, we can’t afford it, given our huge and growing national debt.
    Second, more importantly, foreign aid in the Middle East is leading to an arms race. “If the US gives 20 F-16 fighter planes to Egypt, Israel then feels it needs to buy 25,” he said.
    In fact, according to the senator, the U.S. gives more aid to Israel’s neighbors than to Israel. “We taxpayers are subsidizing the hate-filled propaganda put out by the radical Palestinians about America,” he said.
    Senator Paul wants to gradually reduce and eventually eliminate foreign aid to Israel and the Palestinians. In his talk to us on the tour, he cited a speech given by Prime Minister Netanyahu several years ago arguing for the end of aid from the United States.
    Unfortunately, Senator Paul’s end-foreign-aid bill has no chance of passage due to the argument that giving money to both sides creates a “balance of power.” It’s madness.
    “The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.” –Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Our Forign Aid is causing a dangerous Arms Race.

    This story was posted on Rand's Facebook page...

    Earlier this month, I flew to Israel to join Senator Rand Paul on a fact-finding tour. It’s his first visit to Israel, my third. Senator Paul is a new member of the powerful Foreign Relations Committee, so he got first class treatment, meeting privately with Prime Minister Netanyahu, the mayor of Jerusalem, and the King of Jordan, as well as military and business leaders.
    Our tour group visited at all the major tourist spots, including the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, the Dead Sea, Masada, Bethlehem, and Jerusalem. We stayed at a hotel right on the Sea of Galilee run by a kibbutz. In the hotel room, the management announced that the hotel used to be a traditional kibbutz, where everyone was paid the same salary and had everything in common, but now had switched to a “private” market to provide incentives and keep the younger generation from leaving.
    I witnessed first hand how Israel has made significant progress economically over the past 30 years, largely by gradually abandoning socialism and adopting market-friendly reforms. Meanwhile, other Middle Eastern countries like Egypt show no improvement at all.
    One of the major issues on the trip was foreign aid to Israel. Senator Paul told me that he has two major objections to foreign aid. First, we can’t afford it, given our huge and growing national debt.
    Second, more importantly, foreign aid in the Middle East is leading to an arms race. “If the US gives 20 F-16 fighter planes to Egypt, Israel then feels it needs to buy 25,” he said.
    In fact, according to the senator, the U.S. gives more aid to Israel’s neighbors than to Israel. “We taxpayers are subsidizing the hate-filled propaganda put out by the radical Palestinians about America,” he said.
    Senator Paul wants to gradually reduce and eventually eliminate foreign aid to Israel and the Palestinians. In his talk to us on the tour, he cited a speech given by Prime Minister Netanyahu several years ago arguing for the end of aid from the United States.
    Unfortunately, Senator Paul’s end-foreign-aid bill has no chance of passage due to the argument that giving money to both sides creates a “balance of power.” It’s madness.
    Who posted that on his FB?
    Bill Davis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Our Forign Aid is causing a dangerous Arms Race.

    This story was posted on Rand's Facebook page...

    Earlier this month, I flew to Israel to join Senator Rand Paul on a fact-finding tour. It’s his first visit to Israel, my third. Senator Paul is a new member of the powerful Foreign Relations Committee, so he got first class treatment, meeting privately with Prime Minister Netanyahu, the mayor of Jerusalem, and the King of Jordan, as well as military and business leaders.
    Our tour group visited at all the major tourist spots, including the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, the Dead Sea, Masada, Bethlehem, and Jerusalem. We stayed at a hotel right on the Sea of Galilee run by a kibbutz. In the hotel room, the management announced that the hotel used to be a traditional kibbutz, where everyone was paid the same salary and had everything in common, but now had switched to a “private” market to provide incentives and keep the younger generation from leaving.
    I witnessed first hand how Israel has made significant progress economically over the past 30 years, largely by gradually abandoning socialism and adopting market-friendly reforms. Meanwhile, other Middle Eastern countries like Egypt show no improvement at all.
    One of the major issues on the trip was foreign aid to Israel. Senator Paul told me that he has two major objections to foreign aid. First, we can’t afford it, given our huge and growing national debt.
    Second, more importantly, foreign aid in the Middle East is leading to an arms race. “If the US gives 20 F-16 fighter planes to Egypt, Israel then feels it needs to buy 25,” he said.
    In fact, according to the senator, the U.S. gives more aid to Israel’s neighbors than to Israel. “We taxpayers are subsidizing the hate-filled propaganda put out by the radical Palestinians about America,” he said.
    Senator Paul wants to gradually reduce and eventually eliminate foreign aid to Israel and the Palestinians. In his talk to us on the tour, he cited a speech given by Prime Minister Netanyahu several years ago arguing for the end of aid from the United States.
    Unfortunately, Senator Paul’s end-foreign-aid bill has no chance of passage due to the argument that giving money to both sides creates a “balance of power.” It’s madness.
    I wont comment on the ludicrous idea that a balance of power is created or is the objective.
    the unstated objective is that the military/Industrial complex gets their way.......AGAIN!!~

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