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    Reading the thread about the no extra for a gun dog many mention Evans program or Lardy program, but aren't these all Rex Carr developed systems? I have a collection of studennts notes that trained with Rex and Every Drill is there there isn't a system that uses a collar thats new.

    I have a photo of Joe Schomer, Jolors Amigo, and Edith Murnane where Joe is showing Mrs. Murnane hoe he pinches ears.



    There is really nothing new but some techniqes might be refined as equipment improves. Youno longer have to condition a dog for the maximum level of stimulation, but now we have the option of using the lowest level of stimulation that gets results.
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    I was just thinking of you Richard.
    Your history of our sport is missed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Bora View Post
    I was just thinking of you Richard.
    Your history of our sport is missed.
    i miss his contributions as well, Ken.
    i miss some of the others too.
    some others not so much
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    Richard Halstead - A Gentleman and a Scholar!

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    ps. thanks Ken...me too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Halstead View Post
    Reading the thread about the no extra for a gun dog many mention Evans program or Lardy program, but aren't these all Rex Carr developed systems? ....There is really nothing new but some techniques might be refined as equipment improves.
    I think that's an over simplification, Richard. What has changed is far more than mere equipment. The programs mentioned are surely based in the Carr method, but have been better articulated, and presented in multimedia form that makes the information easier to understand and use for newer trainers. In addition, the method has indeed been refined relative to newer and greatly improved equipment.

    But there is yet more. There is something new in many of the techniques for practices that have been a standard for decades, including force fetch and e-collar conditioning processes. A number of procedural changes have made overall changes in how trainers approach young dog development. It's not just the same story re-told.

    That great photo illustrates one change that has become common for ear pinch.

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    Richard is deceased and missed by many. Wish there was some respect for not barfing up his posts with remarks he can't respond to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Richard is deceased and missed by many. Wish there was some respect for not barfing up his posts with remarks he can't respond to.
    Amen.............
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Richard is deceased and missed by many. Wish there was some respect for not barfing up his posts with remarks he can't respond to.
    I concur X 100.....as much as I like reading the old threads, some should just be left alone and be read only
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainmaker View Post
    Richard is deceased and missed by many. Wish there was some respect for not barfing up his posts with remarks he can't respond to.
    Sorry to hear that. That would have been a more than useful addition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    I concur X 100.....as much as I like reading the old threads, some should just be left alone and be read only
    I assumed Bon, that most all responses would be like Lennie and Marty. Though gosh it would be funny if Richard were still with us. Listening to the conversation between he and Evan as Evan explains to Richard the history of Labrador Field training and its modern changes.
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