Last edited by helencalif; 02-05-2013 at 01:27 PM.
Thanks for your input. I've been mulling this stuff around for a few weeks now. You guys have given me more to think about. Keep'em coming!
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This is what I think of. This is my dog at less than 2 yrs old he is 5 now. But a dog that won't stop until they get what they are after, or asked to come back. Just my opinion!
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To me all the above, desire, train-ability and work ethic can not be trained., The pup has to have these three traits to become successful in the test or trial game. Everything else can be trained.
I would like to take this thread one step further if I could. How much of each makes for a perfect blend. To much desire = Independence, to much work ethic = to much dependence and desire + work ethic = train-ability?
Just a thought?
On the other hand, my two high drive exceptional markers seem to have so much confidence in their abilities to find the bird, they are way less compliant on blinds, especially Yoda. I can't tell you how many times he just smacked the first series of a tough Open or Amateur, best job in the field and maybe only one of six to do the test right, only to go out on a fairly simple land blind. He had so much confidence in his ability to find the bird, he was just sure he knew better than Dad and would fall for the dry pop or other diversion time and time again, no matter how much we trained on it. Then he got to the point where he accepted the training and would line right through all the technical stuff in the first 200 yards, then refuse cast after cast in the wide open, zero factor last 100 yards, very frustrating.
In my case I would say it was my dog's overconfidence based on their natural marking skills that leads to this lack of compliance, though high drive fast dogs are harder to handle just based on their speed. I think your point about too much desire = independence doesn't have to be, though it is most times. I judge a lot of dogs and most of the dogs that do well are high drive and compliant on blinds. It's a combination, not a one or the other deal.
Your absolutely correct. WE will have to add miss smarty pants, who think she know it all to the train-ability equation.
Even though I think that confidence can be built if the desire it there.
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hummm--- let see, I think I just throw up my hand in the direction she wanted to go anyway.
Don't get me wrong, All the dogs that I eval as prospect have good or high drive, but as a trainer I have to couple the with work ethic and train-ability to know how I am going to train them. The dogs that have to much drive ( Birds on the brain or not honest) to me they have to have a vary controlled training program ( Routine ) and if you relax and get then out of their routine their off to the races and out of control. I also call these type of dogs high maintenance.
Now take the dog that has good drive but a little more work ethic, I would call these type of dogs level headed or honest. Their program is different, I like to give then more room to do what they think is right and use a little more traditional type training. The issues that can crop up if not train right are in the confidence area.
Both type can be successful and both have their issues.