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    On the second disk of Lardy's TRT, Lardy introduces indirect pressure utilizing the here "nick" sit for lack of effort during simple cast drills. In his example the dog goes to the wrong pile and presents Lardy an opportunity for introducing and utilizing indirect pressure. I get that concept, but he also mentions indirect pressure can be used for shopping the bumpers, lollygagging over the pile etc. But he doesn't go in to how to apply it when those situations occur when the dog is on the pile.

    Can anyone explain how to apply the indirect pressure when a dog is shopping the pile during simple casting drills.

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    Nick to here whistle-nick-whistle and its a low nick
    At least thats how it was taught to me
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    X2 for shopping pile. For standing over the pile, I would do it a little different. Fetch nick. Assuming you have been through simple casting, ecollar fetch, etc.
    Did you prevent shopping the pile in simple casting to a pile with a rope?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Nutt View Post
    X2 for shopping pile. For standing over the pile, I would do it a little different. Fetch nick. Assuming you have been through simple casting, ecollar fetch, etc.
    Did you prevent shopping the pile in simple casting to a pile with a rope?
    Lardy does ecollar fetch after indirect pressure, so no I have not. Thinking I should move to that though. Simple casting has been going well, except I need to move into indirect pressure since he likes going to a pile of his choosing at times. I am more concerned with the shopping, standing over a pile, or grabbing two at once before retrieve. I think ecollar fetch will help with this but it is out of step from Lardy's program. I tried the rope thing, but it is constantly getting in the way so I am off lead right now.

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    Lardy does ecollar fetch then comes back to simple casting (w/o lead) and introduces to indirect pressure. Look at your flow chart again. Look under "E collar conditioning":
    Obedience
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    Introduction to Indirect Pressure

    Don't try to use indirect pressure without first doing ecollar conditioning. How would the dog know what to do, either sit or here from a nick? Any casting prior to ecollar condtioning should be done with a lead. I know working with a 20' lead is a pain but it is the way to go.
    Maintaining good lead control is the essence of preventing shopping. See below:

    http://www.retrievertraining.net/for...28by+Pirate%29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Nutt View Post
    Lardy does ecollar fetch then comes back to simple casting (w/o lead) and introduces to indirect pressure. Look at your flow chart again. Look under "E collar conditioning":
    Obedience
    De-bolt
    Collar Fetch
    Introduction to Indirect Pressure

    Don't try to use indirect pressure without first doing ecollar conditioning. How would the dog know what to do, either sit or here from a nick? Any casting prior to ecollar condtioning should be done with a lead. I know working with a 20' lead is a pain but it is the way to go.
    Maintaining good lead control is the essence of preventing shopping. See below:

    http://www.retrievertraining.net/for...28by+Pirate%29
    Wayne

    My dog is collar conditioned. Lardy does collar conditioning at end of disk 1, then indirect pressure with ecollar doing simple casting at start of disk 2, then ecollar fetch in prep for pile work. I haven't watched the ecollar fetch segment which follows indirect pressure on the disk

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    Quote Originally Posted by freezeland View Post
    Wayne

    My dog is collar conditioned. Lardy does collar conditioning at end of disk 1, then indirect pressure with ecollar doing simple casting at start of disk 2, then ecollar fetch in prep for pile work. I haven't watched the ecollar fetch segment which follows indirect pressure on the disk
    Wayne

    I looked at the flow chart, it is in fact in the order you describe above, but it is not in that order on the disk. On the disk it is indirect pressure then collar fetch.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rboudet View Post
    Nick to here whistle-nick-whistle and its a low nick
    At least thats how it was taught to me

    This would be your correct sequence.
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    Now that you mention it I have seen this abnomality (sp?) before. But, I would still get him casting correctly 80-90 percent of the time with the rope before using indirect pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Nutt View Post
    Now that you mention it I have seen this abnomality (sp?) before. But, I would still get him casting correctly 80-90 percent of the time with the rope before using indirect pressure.
    Gotcha, but Im still confused on the order, ecollar fetch then indirect, or indirect then ecollar. The flow chart makes more sense, collar fetch then indirect pressure....

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