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    I think the flow chart in the booklet accompanying the TRT 2d ed. is incorrect. I cross referenced to the flow chart in Volume 1 of Lardy's Retriever Journal articles and the flow chart reflects what is shown in the dvds.

    In the big scheme of things I don't know that it matters that much. There is probably only one or two days separating the two drills. With my last two dogs Hank and Rowdy (by Pirate), their casting was so good that I didn't get a chance to do indirect pressure at that point in their progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Nutt View Post
    I think the flow chart in the booklet accompanying the TRT 2d ed. is incorrect. I cross referenced to the flow chart in Volume 1 of Lardy's Retriever Journal articles and the flow chart reflects what is shown in the dvds.

    In the big scheme of things I don't know that it matters that much. There is probably only one or two days separating the two drills. With my last two dogs Hank and Rowdy (by Pirate), their casting was so good that I didn't get a chance to do indirect pressure at that point in their progress.
    Thanks Wayne

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    You need to collar fetch first ....if you try to use indirect pressure withOUT having done collar fetch ,likely the dog will spit out the bumper....before doing anything. He NEEDS to know that bumper is not why he is being nicked
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridget Bodine View Post
    You need to collar fetch first ....if you try to use indirect pressure withOUT having done collar fetch ,likely the dog will spit out the bumper....before doing anything. He NEEDS to know that bumper is not why he is being nicked
    Thats what I thought and why I have been questioning the order on the dvd, it has indirect first

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    Bridget, I have deviated from Lardy by doing collar fetch first also. But in Lardys indirect pressure technique he does the ecollar corrections before the dog has the bumper in his mouth. There are no corrections after the dog has the bumper.
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    I do collar cond before force fetch , then FF and right into collar fetch, so take my advice for what it is worth , which is nothing , when following step by step Lardy.
    I am curious to know what happens when he nicks the dog on here for shopping....likely comes in without a bumper , then you ear pinch back to the pile?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridget Bodine View Post
    I do collar cond before force fetch , then FF and right into collar fetch, so take my advice for what it is worth , which is nothing , when following step by step Lardy.
    I am curious to know what happens when he nicks the dog on here for shopping....likely comes in without a bumper , then you ear pinch back to the pile?
    Bridget

    Lardy doesn't say, that was the question of my original post. Maybe the answer to that is on his cc series disk, or one of his articles. I don't have those. I have my dog collar conditioned, but have not applied indirect pressure or collar fetch him yet. I think I am going to do collar fetch first, that makes more sense to me. Wayne is right though, and a good observation by him. Lardy applies indirect before the dog even gets to the pile in TRT2. But mentions it can be used for shopping but doesn't say how......

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    In my example of nick here for shopping I wouldn't do that until after ecollar conditioning as I originally stated. In Lardy's indirect pressure on simple casting for shopping he would probably, say sit, then nick, then say fetch, then say here.

    In later sequences after ecollar fetch he does say here nick for shopping. You can see this when he does swimby. He discusses corrections for shopping, I believe, when he does TT. Which is here, nick.
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    To clarify for my purposes and maybe others would putting pressure on the dog for shopping, a nick, be direct pressure? Therefore Lardy wouldn't be discussing it in the indirect pressure segment. As I understand it indirect pressure as per his definition or how he explains it is pressure not for the command given ex: give right over cast and dog goes to left over, you blow the sit whistle and give a nick. You are not exactly nicking for the cast refusal in the dogs mind you nicked after the whistle. Nicking a dog for shopping, for the fetch command would be a direct form of pressure in my mind, and you would have had to CC to fetch before doing this. Thats how I take it anyways.
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    Daren, you and I were typing at the same time. See my post above. Lardy does say take care of the shopping issue with a rope in simple casting. If this is done right then shopping the pile won't be an issue. The number of times that Rowdy or Hank have shopped the pile can be counted on two fingers. It's best to get this issue resolved with rope control.
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