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    Replace the only president who eliminated the national dept, on US currency bills?

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    It will never happen, this is Jug Ears SJW/Black side coming out prior to exit. Another hollow legacy he will use to stay down wit his peeps and their struggle against the white man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymond Little View Post
    It will never happen, this is Jug Ears SJW/Black side coming out prior to exit. Another hollow legacy he will use to stay down wit his peeps and their struggle against the white man.
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    Jackson seized Georgia from the Choctaw/Cherokee (Trail of Tears) for his speculator buddies, defied SCOTUS rulings, was a Democrat while it took Lincoln , the Republican to end slavery. The south lost the Civil War, and the 14th Amendment (1868) extended complete citizenship to ex-slaves, Jim Crow laws backed by Southern Dixiecrats (Democrats)including segregation lasted until the 1960s. Get over it ! The Irish gloated with the Kennedys, the Jews were all excited about Lieberman (interesting not excited about Bernie) and remember the Italian push? Obama will be gone , no sit down beers for you. Times are a changing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by swliszka View Post
    Jackson seized Georgia from the Choctaw/Cherokee (Trail of Tears) for his speculator buddies, defied SCOTUS rulings, was a Democrat while it took Lincoln , the Republican to end slavery. The south lost the Civil War, and the 14th Amendment (1868) extended complete citizenship to ex-slaves, Jim Crow laws backed by Southern Dixiecrats (Democrats)including segregation lasted until the 1960s. Get over it ! The Irish gloated with the Kennedys, the Jews were all excited about Lieberman (interesting not excited about Bernie) and remember the Italian push? Obama will be gone , no sit down beers for you. Times are a changing...
    ***Jackson's role*********

    The removals, conducted under Presidents Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren, followed the Indian Removal Act of 1830. The Act provided the President with powers to exchange land with Native tribes and provide infrastructure improvements on the existing lands. The law also gave the president power to pay for transportation costs to the West, should tribes choose to relocate. The law did not, however, allow the President to force tribes to move West without a mutually agreed-upon treaty.[11]

    In the years following the Act, the Cherokee filed several lawsuits regarding conflicts with the state of Georgia. Some of these cases reached the Supreme Court, the most influential being Worcester v. Georgia. Samuel Worcester and other non-Native Americans were convicted by Georgia law for residing in Cherokee territory in the state of Georgia without a license. Worcester was sentenced to prison for four years, and appealed the ruling, arguing that this sentence violated treaties made between Indian Nations and the United States federal government by imposing state laws on Cherokee lands. The Court ruled in Worcester's favor, declaring that the Cherokee Nation was subject only to federal law and that the Supremacy Clause barred legislative interference by the state of Georgia. Chief Justice Marshall argued, "The Cherokee nation, then, is a distinct community occupying its own territory in which the laws of Georgia can have no force. The whole intercourse between the United States and this Nation, is, by our constitution and laws, vested in the government of the United States."[12][13]

    Andrew Jackson did not, however, enforce the Supreme Court mandate barring Georgia from intruding on Cherokee lands. He feared that enforcement would lead to open warfare between federal troops and the Georgia militia, which would compound the ongoing crisis in South Carolina and lead to a broader civil war. Instead, he vigorously negotiated a land exchange treaty with the Cherokee.[14] Political opponents Henry Clay and John Quincy Adams, who supported the Worcester decision, were outraged by Jacksonís refusal to uphold Cherokee claims against the state of Georgia.[15] Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote an account of Cherokee assimilation into the American culture, declaring his support of the Worcester decision.[citation needed]

    Jackson chose to continue with Indian removal, and negotiated The Treaty of New Echota on May 23, 1836, which granted Cherokee Indians two years to move to Indian Territory (modern Oklahoma). Only a fraction of the Cherokee left voluntarily. The U.S. government, with assistance from state militias, forced most of the remaining Cherokee West in 1838.[16] The Cherokee were temporarily remanded in camps in eastern Tennessee. In November, the Cherokee were broken into groups of around 1,000 each and began the journey west. They endured heavy rains, snow, and freezing temperatures.

    When the Cherokee negotiated the Treaty of New Echota, they exchanged all their land east of the Mississippi for land in modern Oklahoma and a $5 million payment from the federal government. Many Cherokee felt betrayed that their leadership accepted the deal, and over 16,000 Cherokee signed a petition to prevent the passage of the treaty. By the end of the decade in 1840, tens of thousands of Cherokee and other tribes had been removed from their land east of the Mississippi River. The Creek, Choctaw, Seminole, and Chicksaw were also relocated under the Indian Removal Act of 1830. One Choctaw leader portrayed the removal as "A Trail of Tears and Deaths", a devastating event that removed most of the Native population of the southeastern United States from their traditional homelands

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    Andrew Jackson was a founder of the Democratic Party. Harriet Tubman was a gun rights Republican. Don't think they had this in mind when they made the change. Ignoramuses!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    ***Jackson's role*********
    Quite right, too. By doing so, he likely saved the Indians from total extermination throughout the South, and helped to make us a great nation, And despite the odious Obama's beliefs, it is the job of the President (he takes an oath; you must have missed it) to enforce the law Congress passes. The Indian Removal Act of 1830 was passed by both houses of Congress and signed into law. It was clear what was intended and needed.

    Population movements are continual throughout history. Get an education. Read The Age of Jackson Even if you wish to whine about the Indians, "Jacksonian Democracy" championed egalitarianism, helped to spread liberty throughout the land and to form a great nation. He was a genuine American hero.
    Factoid: He was the the last President to kill a man in a dual over his wife's honor. He took a bullet to do it, too.
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    SteveMO where did you find your most unusual Jacksonian interpretations? His wife married him without getting a divorce from her previous husband and was accused of being a "prostitute." ""...likely saved the Indians from total extermination throughout the South.." -Wowzer !! Talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water! Just kill a bunch to save a few ! Now from now on you will have to have a woman staring at you whenever you handle a new $20 dollar bill and a black one to boot ! Might does not make right...Manifest Destiny regards..
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveMO View Post
    Quite right, too. By doing so, he likely saved the Indians from total extermination throughout the South, and helped to make us a great nation, And despite the odious Obama's beliefs, it is the job of the President (he takes an oath; you must have missed it) to enforce the law Congress passes. The Indian Removal Act of 1830 was passed by both houses of Congress and signed into law. It was clear what was intended and needed.

    Population movements are continual throughout history. Get an education. Read The Age of Jackson Even if you wish to whine about the Indians, "Jacksonian Democracy" championed egalitarianism, helped to spread liberty throughout the land and to form a great nation. He was a genuine American hero.
    Factoid: He was the the last President to kill a man in a dual over his wife's honor. He took a bullet to do it, too.
    Hey SteveMO ... For what its worth my post was cut from Wikipedia... American hero???? I'm sure if congress passed a law to throw you off your land you'd understand, they are just trying to "spread liberty and make a great nation" ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    Hey SteveMO ... For what its worth my post was cut from Wikipedia... American hero???? I'm sure if congress passed a law to throw you off your land you'd understand, they are just trying to "spread liberty and make a great nation" ...
    Actually, there are laws that allow the govt to throw one off one's land for the perceived "greater good", ever heard of imminent domain?
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