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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    That was Fox News writing that and not Rand saying that.

    Fox is the voice on the NeoCons and not the Libertarians. In fact, that is why they did away with Judge Napolitano's show on Fox Buisness. Judge N is a Libertarian.

    The NeoCons and Fox were big advocates for invading Iraq and A'stan. Rand and his father were against it. The NeoCons at Fox refuse to cover anything Libertarian and would rather identify Rand as Tea Party. Libertarians are too critical of Fox News and they can't handle it.
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    If it were a Rand-Hillary face-off in 2016, at least he wouldn't soft-pedal this issue.

    Remember, Hillary called Stevens "a friend" ... yet, she wasn't keeping an eye on the Libyan ambassador's safety? And Obama, himself, knew all along that he had gone back to bed and never further inquired while these Americans were dying. I'll give him credit for one thing ... he does have a good poker-face for bluffing. In the debate, Romney backed down from the bluff, and lost the election. If Boehner has half a brain, he should take note of that.

    Most of all, it is a tremendous sadness that the two leaders of the country who might have made a difference that night, placed so little value on the life of someone they knew, whom they had placed in harm's way. That person became a pawn in the political game they play. They then proceeded to throw under the bus Rice, Panetta & others. I can only imagine how little value they place on the lives of so many people in our country whom they do not know personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    If it were a Rand-Hillary face-off in 2016, at least he wouldn't soft-pedal this issue.

    Remember, Hillary called Stevens "a friend" ... yet, she wasn't keeping an eye on the Libyan ambassador's safety? And Obama, himself, knew all along that he had gone back to bed and never further inquired while these Americans were dying. I'll give him credit for one thing ... he does have a good poker-face for bluffing. In the debate, Romney backed down from the bluff, and lost the election. If Boehner has half a brain, he should take note of that.

    Most of all, it is a tremendous sadness that the two leaders of the country who might have made a difference that night, placed so little value on the life of someone they knew, whom they had placed in harm's way. That person became a pawn in the political game they play. They then proceeded to throw under the bus Rice, Panetta & others. I can only imagine how little value they place on the lives of so many people in our country whom they do not know personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Gerry,
    "Who do you want answering the call at 3:00am??"
    Hillary has already demonstrated she wouldn't even hear the phone ringing
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    I didnt even hear about it until I listened to a replay of the Mark Levin show late last night..the media including Fox and Drudge dont even seem to care anymore, really shameful that this will go quietly in the night
    The right has media, the left has media.

    Neither has journalism.

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    Lindsay Graham questioning Panetta:
    GRAHAM: My question is, did anybody leave any base anywhere to go to the aid of the people who were under attack in Benghazi, Libya before the attack ended.
    DEMPSEY: No, because the attack ended before we could get off the ground.
    7-8 hours ... and they could not get off the ground?

    SEN. GRAHAM: Are you surprised that the president of the United States never called you, Secretary Panetta, and say, ‘how’s it going?’

    SEC. PANETTA: I — you know, normally in these situations –

    SEN. GRAHAM: Did he know the level of threat that –

    SEC. PANETTA: Let — well, let me finish the answer. We were deploying the forces. He knew we were deploying the forces. He was being kept updated –

    SEN. GRAHAM: Well, I hate to interrupt you, but I got limited time. We didn’t deploy any forces.Did you call him back — wait a minute –

    SEC. PANETTA: No, but the event — the event was over by the time we got –

    SEN. GRAHAM: Mr. Secretary, you didn’t know how long the attack would last. Did you ever call him and say, Mr. President, it looks like we don’t have anything to get there anytime soon?

    SEC. PANETTA: The event was over before we could move any assets.

    SEN. GRAHAM: It lasted almost eight hours. And my question to you is during that eight-hour period, did the president show any curiosity about how’s this going, what kind of assets do you have helping these people? Did he ever make that phone call?

    SEC. PANETTA: Look, there is no question in my mind that the president of the United States was concerned about American lives and, frankly, all of us were concerned about American lives.

    SEN. GRAHAM: With all due respect, I don’t believe that’s a credible statement if he never called and asked you, are we helping these people; what’s happening to them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    If it were a Rand-Hillary face-off in 2016, at least he wouldn't soft-pedal this issue.

    Remember, Hillary called Stevens "a friend" ... yet, she wasn't keeping an eye on the Libyan ambassador's safety? And Obama, himself, knew all along that he had gone back to bed and never further inquired while these Americans were dying. I'll give him credit for one thing ... he does have a good poker-face for bluffing. In the debate, Romney backed down from the bluff, and lost the election. If Boehner has half a brain, he should take note of that.

    Most of all, it is a tremendous sadness that the two leaders of the country who might have made a difference that night, placed so little value on the life of someone they knew, whom they had placed in harm's way. That person became a pawn in the political game they play. They then proceeded to throw under the bus Rice, Panetta & others. I can only imagine how little value they place on the lives of so many people in our country whom they do not know personally.
    You are correct.............butter would not melt in Obama's mouth. He is one very good acter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    Lindsay Graham questioning Panetta:


    7-8 hours ... and they could not get off the ground?

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    We can scramble fighter jets to intercept a commercial aircraft, which has been off course 2 minutes and not returned a tower response, within 15 minutes. We could not help these people for over 7 hours?

    You do know how to reach the President correct? The carrier carrying F-16, which can fly max. M-2 and cruise at 11 to 1200MPH, were approximately 600 miles away. That call would have helped them within 45 minutes, correct?

    However, refueling would have been a issue and that could be their only defense. He would have to come out and state the fact and gave him a way to save some face.

    This a stage show because nobody is under oath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Storts View Post
    We can scramble fighter jets to intercept a commercial aircraft, which has been off course 2 minutes and not returned a tower response, within 15 minutes. We could not help these people for over 7 hours?

    You do know how to reach the President correct? The carrier carrying F-16, which can fly max. M-2 and cruise at 11 to 1200MPH, were approximately 600 miles away. That call would have helped them within 45 minutes, correct?

    However, refueling would have been a issue and that could be their only defense. He would have to come out and state the fact and gave him a way to save some face.

    This a stage show because nobody is under oath.
    The whole theater of politics is a stage show. I don't believe any of them. The way the pubs are selling us down the river I think they are all commies and the two parties are as fake as Saturday night wrestling. Rand Paul sucks too, he is an idiot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Storts View Post
    We can scramble fighter jets to intercept a commercial aircraft, which has been off course 2 minutes and not returned a tower response, within 15 minutes.
    That would be an air to air mission and the fighters are on alert for that. There aren't aircraft on alert for an emergency air-to-ground mission. Even the F/A18 in it's ground attack mode isn't really equipped for the pin-point accuracy needed for this. (The F/A18 is a warfighter, not a sniper.) Further, the night capabilities of the aircraft available has to be considered. For instance, Operation El Dorado Canyon (bombing of Libya in 86) was constrained because only the F-111 of the Air Force at RAF Upper Heyford and RAF Lakenheath and the A-6 of the Navy could attack with precision at night.

    The ideal system for this mission was the AC-130 but those are slow-movers and there apparently wasn't one within immediate striking distance. They're normally based in the UK.

    What will probably happen is that DoD will assess all aspects of the situation and be better prepared for such an instance in the future. This is as it always has been, we always plan how to better win the last war.

    What is going on now is really just political posturing and I personally hold it against both sides. If Congress were intent on anything else, they'd have the Pentagon prepare an internal report on "Lessons Learned" and present it in secret.
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