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    The point that Henry and other libs love to gloss over is that the administration WATCHED this attack and DENIED HELP, while our men were KILLLED!!!

    Pretty cold blooded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    The point that Henry and other libs love to gloss over is that the administration WATCHED this attack and DENIED HELP, while our men were KILLLED!!!

    Pretty cold blooded.
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    This is turning into political theater plain and simple. I understand you do not like the answers being given, nor the outcome of the independent report, nor the testimony at 15 hearings, nor what is in the thousands of pages of documents on this.

    Was this a tragedy, yes. Should policies be changed to prevent such problems in the future, yes. Did we learn from all the attacks on diplomats during the last administration, I hope so, but clearly not enough. Did the congress fail to fund additional security, yes.

    Nothing has changed since this thread started. Yesterday's testimony added nothing substantive. Here is a recount of the Panetta and Demsey hearing.
    WASHINGTON The U.S. military is determined to position small, quick reaction forces closer to global crises after the rapid assault on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya last September kept U.S. armed forces from responding in time to save four Americans.

    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told Congress on Thursday that they moved quickly to deploy commando teams from Spain and Central Europe last Sept. 11, the chaotic day of the assault on the U.S. installation in Benghazi, but the first military unit didn't arrive until 15 hours after the first of two attacks.

    "Time, distance, the lack of an adequate warning, events that moved very quickly on the ground prevented a more immediate response," Panetta said in likely his last Capitol Hill appearance before stepping down as Pentagon chief.

    Republicans have accused the Obama administration of an election-year cover-up of a terrorist attack in the nearly five months since the assault, and they kept up the politically charged onslaught on Thursday. The military also found itself under attack, with at least one senator accusing the Joint Chiefs chairman of peddling falsehoods.

    Faced with repeated questions about where units were during the attack and what they were doing, Dempsey said the military is taking steps to deal with the next crisis.

    "We've asked each of the services to examine their capability to build additional reaction-like forces, small, rapidly deployable forces," Dempsey said. "A small MAGTF for the Marine Corps, for example, a Marine air-ground task force. And the Army is looking at some options as well to increase the number of these resources across the globe, where the limiting factor, though will always be basing."

    Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, put it in layman's terms: "So you are moving the fire stations nearer the ...?"

    "We're trying to build more firemen. The question is whether I can build the stations to house them," Dempsey answered.

    In more than four hours of testimony, Panetta and Dempsey described a military faced with not a single attack over several hours, but two separate assaults six hours apart; little real-time intelligence data and units too far away to mobilize quickly. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans were killed in the attacks.

    Between midnight and 2 a.m. on the night of the attack, Panetta issued orders, telling two Marine anti-terrorism teams based in Rota, Spain, to prepare to deploy to Libya, and he ordered a team of special operations forces in Central Europe and another team of special operations forces in the U.S. to prepare to deploy to a staging base in Europe.

    The first of those U.S. military units did not actually arrive in the region until well after the attack was over and Americans had been flown out of the country. Just before 8 p.m., the special operations team landed at Sigonella Naval Air Station in Sicily. An hour later, the Marine team landed in Tripoli.

    Defense officials have repeatedly said that even if the military had been able to get units there a bit faster, there was no way they could have gotten there in time to make any difference in the deaths of the four Americans.

    "The United States military is not and should not be a global 911 service capable of arriving on the scene within minutes to every possible contingency around the world," Panetta told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

    That failed to placate Republicans on the panel. In one fierce exchange, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., called Dempsey's statement "one of the more bizarre" and argued that if the administration had taken security threats seriously, aircraft and other military could have been located at Souda Bay, Crete.

    "For you to testify before this committee that ... consistent with available threat estimates is simply false; that our military was appropriately responsive," McCain said. "What would have been an inappropriate response since ... no forces arrived there until well after these murders took place?"

    The general said the military was concerned with multiple threats worldwide and, based on time and positioning of forces, "we wouldn't have gotten there in time."

    Several committee Republicans pressed Panetta and Dempsey about their discussions with President Barack Obama on that fateful day and his level of involvement, suggesting that after the initial conversation the commander in chief was disengaged as Americans died.

    Panetta said he and Dempsey were meeting with Obama when they first learned of the Libya assault. He said the president told them to deploy forces as quickly as possible.

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., questioned whether Panetta spoke again to Obama after that first meeting. The Pentagon chief said no but that the White House was in touch with military officials and aware of what was happening.

    "During the eight-hour period, did he show any curiosity?" Graham asked.

    Panetta said there was no question the president was concerned about American lives. Exasperated with Graham's interruptions, Panetta said forcefully, "The president is well-informed about what is going on; make no mistake about it."

    At one point in the hearing, Graham asked Panetta if he knew what time Obama went to sleep that night. The Pentagon chief said he did not.

    Panetta also pushed back against Republican criticism that the Obama administration ignored warning signs about the attack. The Pentagon chief insisted there were no signs of or specific intelligence about an imminent attack. In the six months prior to the assault, the government was apprised of 281 threats to diplomatic missions, consulates and other facilities worldwide, he said.

    Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., pressed Dempsey on why F-16 jets in Aviano, Italy, weren't sent to Libya. Dempsey said it would have taken up to 20 hours to get the planes ready and on their way, and he added that they would have been the "wrong tool for the job."

    Panetta later explained to the committee, "You can't willy-nilly send F-16s there and blow the hell out of place. ... You have to have good intelligence."

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    Yep, that's the approach all of our leaders for the last two hundred years would have taken... Well, maybe Carter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry V View Post
    This is turning into political theater plain and simple. I understand you do not like the answers being given, nor the outcome of the independent report, nor the testimony at 15 hearings, nor what is in the thousands of pages of documents on this.

    Was this a tragedy, yes. Should policies be changed to prevent such problems in the future, yes. Did we learn from all the attacks on diplomats during the last administration, I hope so, but clearly not enough. Did the congress fail to fund additional security, yes.

    Nothing has changed since this thread started. Yesterday's testimony added nothing substantive. Here is a recount of the Panetta and Demsey hearing.
    Your quote is an article from February 7th.
    Irrelevant to the recent hearings.
    They were still in LIE mode then.

    Even ABC is opening up on the doctoring of the "talking points."

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...or-references/

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    Doesn't it seem like no matter what evidence or information is learned the same people argue about the relevancy of this situation? Wasn't that Hillary Clinton's stance from the start that it was basically irrelevant? I mean what could be done now that the tragedy had taken place (sarcasm)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coachmo View Post
    Doesn't it seem like no matter what evidence or information is learned the same people argue about the relevancy of this situation? Wasn't that Hillary Clinton's stance from the start that it was basically irrelevant? I mean what could be done now that the tragedy had taken place?
    The people that failed to respond appropriately and then LIED to cover it up could be brought to justice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    The people that failed to respond appropriately and then LIED to cover it up could be brought to justice.


    Just sayin'............
    I thought that when the Republican party found out someone lied and Americans died because of the lies, they built a library in their name, instead of bringing them to justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngundog View Post
    I thought that when the Republican party found out someone lied and Americans died because of the lies, they built a library in their name, instead of bringing them to justice.
    Except that is spin and did not happen that way.
    Ask Hillary and Ted and Bill, they all stated the same as the President.
    Want me to post the videos of them saying so???????
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    These people KNEW before they stated "video" was the cause that it wasn't.
    They KNEW before they edited the word terrrorism from the talking points that it WAS terrorism..

    BTW---Bush hasn't been President for over 5 years now.
    Perhaps you might shift your focus to the DEBACLE that is occurring before your kool-aid stained eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Except that is spin and did not happen that way.
    Ask Hillary and Ted and Bill, they all stated the same as the President.
    Want me to post the videos of them saying so???????
    BTW--If so, someone else will have to, I am heading to Iowa to run Mr Elvis!


    These people KNEW before they stated "video" was the cause that it wasn't.
    They KNEW before they edited the word terrrorism from the talking points that it WAS terrorism..

    BTW---Bush hasn't been President for over 5 years now.
    Perhaps you might shift your focus to the DEBACLE that is occurring before your kool-aid stained eyes.
    Very true, but it seemed like it was just last week that his lies were being celebrated, the same types of lies that the Republicans are trying to condemn, they need to made up their minds which way it should be.
    Don't get me wrong if their was a cover-up they should be held accountable, however its a little disheartening that a cover-up in their own party is completely ignored, or even celebrated.
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