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    Default It's hard not to be a conspiritorial thinker, when this sort of story happens.

    I'm copying and pasting an interesting article I found.


    Federal agency has now acquired enough bullets to wage 30 year war
    Paul Joseph Watson
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    February 7, 2013
    The Department of Homeland Security is set to purchase a further 21.6 million rounds of ammunition to add to the 1.6 billion bullets it has already obtained over the course of the last 10 months alone, figures which have stoked concerns that the federal agency is preparing for civil unrest.

    A solicitation posted yesterday on the Fed Bid website details how the bullets are required for the DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico.
    The solicitation asks for 10 million pistol cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds) and 10 million 9mm 115 grain jacketed hollow point bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds).
    The document also lists a requirement for 1.6 million pistol cartridge 9mm ball bullets (40 quantities of 40,000 rounds).
    An approximation of how many rounds of ammunition the DHS has now secured over the last 10 months stands at around 1.625 billion. In March 2012, ATK announced that they had agreed to provide the DHS with a maximum of 450 million bullets over four years, a story that prompted questions about why the feds were buying ammunition in such large quantities. In September last year, the federal agency purchased a further 200 million bullets.
    To put that in perspective, during the height of active battle operations in Iraq, US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a full scale war for almost 30 years.
    Such massive quantities of ammo purchases have stoked fears that the agency is preparing for some kind of domestic unrest. In 2011, Department of Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano directed Immigration and Customs Enforcement to prepare for a mass influx of immigrants into the United States, calling for the plan to deal with the “shelter” and “processing” of large numbers of people.
    The federal agency’s primary concern is now centered around thwarting “homegrown terrorism,” but information produced and used by the DHS to train its personnel routinely equates conservative political ideology with domestic extremism.
    A study funded by the Department of Homeland Security that was leaked last year characterizes Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal authority,” and “reverent of individual liberty” as “extreme right-wing” terrorists.
    In August 2012, the DHS censored information relating to the amount of bullets purchased by the federal agency on behalf of Immigration & Customs Enforcement, citing an “unusual and compelling urgency” to acquire the bullets, noting that there is a shortage of bullets which is threatening a situation that could cause “substantial safety issues for the government” should law enforcement officials not be adequately armed.
    As we highlighted last month, the DHS’ previous ammunition solicitation was awarded to Evian Group, an organization that was formed just five days before the announcement of the solicitation and appeared to be little more than a front organization since it didn’t have a genuine physical address, a website, or even a phone number.
    While Americans are being browbeaten with rhetoric about the necessity to give up semi-automatic firearms in the name of preventing school shootings, the federal government is arming itself to the teeth with both ammunition and guns. Last September, the DHS purchased no less than 7,000 fully automatic assault rifles, labeling them “Personal Defense Weapons.”
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    Another "common sense" view from a resident in Sandy Hook.

    UBTo the Editor:

    This letter was forwarded to Barack Obama, John Boehner, Chris Murphy, Dick Blumenthal, Elizabeth Esty, and Harry Reid.


    I live in Sandy Hook, CT. My family and close friends weren't harmed on December 14. That day impacted 26 families with an indescribable, staggering pain and anguish. For most of Sandy Hook, it merely affected us with an inescapable intensity of sadness and grief.



    Gun control has long been a focus of many in this country. Though I'm not knowledgeable of all the nuances of the Second Amendment, based on the Founding Fathers' circumstances, it had far more to do with enabling the citizenry to protect themselves against tyrannical government than against local psychopaths. It is about providing a balanced firepower so when King George's successor came knocking on your door, you could fight back.



    Government today is no less inclined to abuse its authority than it was then
    . Based on the absurd and ongoing power grab that is present day Washington, it's as threatening as ever.

    That so many of you view the NRA with its resistance to further restrictions on firearms as intransigent lunatics has far more to do with how you conduct yourselves in office than it does with the NRA's actions.


    You in public office are fundamentally dishonest people!



    You lead lives of deception at every turn, structuring your lives as comfortably as you can while governing with an indifference and arrogance that is absolutely maddening. When the country is reeling from financial disaster, you waste a trillion dollars on a health care bill we can't afford and you've never even read!



    You claim it's critical because health care costs are killing this country. No, they're not, you are! Youare killing this country. You endorse the ongoing slaughter of millions of unborn children and whine when terrorists are water boarded. You can't lecture us right in Newtown High School about not doing enough to keep our children safe, while simultaneously slaughtering the unborn. You fabricate the intense, media laden drama of the fiscal cliff and lack the courage to do anything about truly reforming the obscene gluttony of government.

    You know you'll be out of office before the bill ever comes due. You don't care and have no integrity nor honor.



    You lie
    whenever and wherever you need to to move forth your agenda. Were you able, you would purge the US of guns.… every last gun in the country, if you could.


    So please forgive Wayne LaPierre and those of us who don't trust you as far as we can spit! You're a dishonest lot, motivated by a distorted worldview. If mass murder prevention were truly your goal, you would welcome armed security wherever needed. It is outrageous that we protect our money with far more firepower than we protect our children.



    I have never owned a gun, nor wanted to as intensely as right now. You'll stop restricting guns when only you have them.



    Brendan Duffy


    4 Chestnut Knoll Drive, Sandy Hook January 8, 2013











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    I've wondered why there hasn't been more discussion on the DHS, and other Fed agencies, stockpiling guns and ammunition. If the Fed govt plans on doubling down on firearms & ammunition manufacturors, it would be a wise move to make sure that the govt agencies have as much as they'll need for 30 years.

    It seems like Obama is getting his domestic "army", but the weapons are for a select few. Let us hope that there are some people of honor and conscience who will be holding those weapons if "domestic unrest" should occur.
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    We are quickly finding out that those conspiracy nuts were right all along. Think about it. From Kennedy to Sandy Hook lies are being brought to light right and left,,the non mainstream media can't keep up with it all. The worse part about it is that the walls will not come tumbling down. The network cheerleaders will make sure they are discredited.
    We (society in general especially our youth) have been so hypnitized and stupertized that we don't even believe when we see or hear the infraction ,,cause tv will tell us what to think.

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    I can of my own self do nothing ,as I hear , I judge,,and my judgement is just, because I seek not my own will,,but the will of the father which hath sent me
    John 7:16 -- Jesus answered them and said my doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
    mark 16:9 -- So then after the lord had spoken unto them,he was received up in heaven, and sat on the right hand of God
    I Tim. 2:5 --For there is one God and one mediator between God and man ,, the man Christ Jesus

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    I've wondered why there hasn't been more discussion on the DHS, and other Fed agencies, stockpiling guns and ammunition. If the Fed govt plans on doubling down on firearms & ammunition manufacturors, it would be a wise move to make sure that the govt agencies have as much as they'll need for 30 years.

    It seems like Obama is getting his domestic "army", but the weapons are for a select few. Let us hope that there are some people of honor and conscience who will be holding those weapons if "domestic unrest" should occur.[QUOTE]


    Part of the litmus test that this administration is performing is randomly questioning the upper ranks and individuals within the ranks if they would fire on U.S. citizens if ordered to do so.. Depending on the answers provided seems to determine if they are relieved of their duty or taking early retirement,,or moved up.
    Why are they even asking it. Well any one with a half a brain has a good idea why.
    I don't know if it is a coincidence that so many high ranking officials are stepping down. This test is put forth as a hypothesis as to hide its real purpose
    Pete
    John 5 :30
    I can of my own self do nothing ,as I hear , I judge,,and my judgement is just, because I seek not my own will,,but the will of the father which hath sent me
    John 7:16 -- Jesus answered them and said my doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
    mark 16:9 -- So then after the lord had spoken unto them,he was received up in heaven, and sat on the right hand of God
    I Tim. 2:5 --For there is one God and one mediator between God and man ,, the man Christ Jesus

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    http://www.infowars.com/nobel-peace-...n-us-citizens/

    You can also find interviews from soldiers on you tube who have taken the litmus test.
    John 5 :30
    I can of my own self do nothing ,as I hear , I judge,,and my judgement is just, because I seek not my own will,,but the will of the father which hath sent me
    John 7:16 -- Jesus answered them and said my doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
    mark 16:9 -- So then after the lord had spoken unto them,he was received up in heaven, and sat on the right hand of God
    I Tim. 2:5 --For there is one God and one mediator between God and man ,, the man Christ Jesus

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    Here is one of the surveys,,,its long but the last question says it all


    The following survey was given to U.S. Marines at the 29 Palms Marine Corps base in California:
    DD Form 3206 (Rev 2/96)

    JOINT SERVICES TRAINING COMBAT ARMS SURVEY

    Part A (Confidential when filled in)

    This questionnaire is to gather data concerning the attitudes of combat trained personnel with regard to non-traditional missions. All responses are confidential and official. Write your answers directly on the form. In Part II, place an "X" in the space provided for your response.

    Date:_____________

    Part 1. Demographics.

    1. Branch of Service: Army ( ) USAF ( ) Navy ( ) Marines ( ) ANG ( ) NG ( ) USCG ( ) Other: ( )

    2. Pay Grade: (E-6, O-4, etc) ( )

    3. MOS, AFSC or Specialty Code and Description: ( )

    4. Highest level of education: Less than 12 ( ) 13 ( ) 14 ( ) 15 ( ) (16) ( ) More than 16 ( )

    5. How many months did you serve in Operation Desert Storm/Desert Shield?( )

    6. How many months did you serve in Somalia? ( )

    7. Where did you spend most of your childhood?

    City: ( ); County: ( ) State: ( )

    Part II. Attitude:

    Do you feel that U.S. combat troops should be used within the U.S. and bordering countries for any of the following missions?

    (Strongly Disagree) (Disagree) (Agree) (Strongly Agree) (No Opinion)

    8. Drug enforcement

    9. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)

    10. Security at national events (e.g. Olympic Games, Super Bowl)

    11. Environmental disaster clean-up including toxic and nuclear

    12. Substitute teachers and school workers in public schools

    13. Community assistance programs (e.g. landscaping, environmental clean-up,road repair, animal control)

    14. Federal and State prison guards and auxiliary police

    15. National emergency police force/international security force

    16. Advisors to SWAT units, the FBI, or the BATF

    17. Border Patrol (e.g. prevention of entry of illegal aliens into U.S. territory)

    18. Drug enforcement and interdiction

    19. Disaster relief in bordering countries (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes, etc.)

    20. Environmental disaster clean-up in bordering countries including toxic and nuclear.

    21. Peace keeping and local law enforcement and internal security forces

    22. National building (reconstruct civil governments, develop public school system, develop or improve public transportation system, etc.)

    23. Humanitarian relief (e.g. food and medical supplies, temporary housing and clothing and domestic care).

    Do you feel that U.S. combat troops should be used in other countries, under command of non-U.S. officers appointed by the U.N. for any of the following missions?

    24. Drug enforcement.

    25. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)

    26. Environmental disaster clean-up including toxic and nuclear.

    27. Peace keeping including local law enforcement and internal security forces

    28. National building (reconstruct civil government, develop public school system, develop or improve public transportation system, etc.

    29. Humanitarian relief (e.g. food and medical supplies, temporary housing and clothing and domestic care)

    30. Police action (e.g. Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm but serving under non-U.S. officers)

    31. The U.S. runs a field training exercise. U.N. combat troops should be allowed to serve in U.S. combat units during these exercises under U.S. command and control.

    32. The U.N. runs a field training exercise. U.S. combat troops under U.S. command and control should serve in U.N. combat units during these exercises

    33. The U.N. runs a field training exercise. U. S. combat troops should serve under U.N. command and control.

    34. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N.missions as long as the U.S. has full command and control.

    35. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N. missions under U.N. command and control.

    36. U.S. combat troops should be commanded by U.N. officers and non- commissioned officers at battalion, wing and company levels while performing U.N. missions.

    37. It would make no difference to me to have U.N. soldiers as members of my team.

    38. It would make no difference to me to take orders from a U.N. company or squadron commander.

    39. I feel the President of the U.S. has the authority to pass his responsibilities as Commander-in-Chief to the U.N. Secretary General.

    40. I feel there is no conflict between my oath of office and serving as a U.N. soldier.

    41. I feel my unit's combat effectiveness would not be affected by performing huminatarian and peace keeping missions for the U.N.

    42. I feel a designated unit of U.S. combat soldiers should be permanently assigned to the command and control of the U.N.

    43. I would be willing to volunteer for assignment to a U.S. combat unit under a U.N. commander.

    44. I would like U.N. member countries, including the U.S., to give the U.N. all the soldiers necessary to maintain world peace.

    45. I would swear to the following code:

    "I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation's way of life. I swear and affirm to support and defend the Charter of the United Nations and I am prepared to give my life in its defense."

    46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-approved firearms. A 30-day amnesty period is established for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of irregular citizen groups and defiant individuals refuse to turn over their firearms to authority.

    Consider the following statement:

    "I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the United States government."

    End of Survey
    John 5 :30
    I can of my own self do nothing ,as I hear , I judge,,and my judgement is just, because I seek not my own will,,but the will of the father which hath sent me
    John 7:16 -- Jesus answered them and said my doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
    mark 16:9 -- So then after the lord had spoken unto them,he was received up in heaven, and sat on the right hand of God
    I Tim. 2:5 --For there is one God and one mediator between God and man ,, the man Christ Jesus

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    Wow UB! How refteshing to see such dramatic writing as that?Makes one feel that Folks are finally waking up.

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    Have any of you stopped to consider that DHS uses roughly 2.5 millon rounds each time their agents re-qualify with their weapons ( I don't know how frequently they have to re-qualify, but I bet it's at least annually). They have about 230,000 agents.

    Add to that the ammo necessary to qualify new employees and how much ammo is carried by agents in the field. -Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    Have any of you stopped to consider that DHS uses roughly 2.5 millon rounds each time their agents re-qualify with their weapons ( I don't know how frequently they have to re-qualify, but I bet it's at least annually). They have about 230,000 agents.

    Add to that the ammo necessary to qualify new employees and how much ammo is carried by agents in the field. -Paul
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