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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    When DHS defended why they needed a lot of ammo ... why didn't they refute the amounts that were cited?
    Because they can't, Gerry. For those that "don't SEE it"...here's another picture and story for you to become better informed. UB


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    http://www.infowars.com/dhs-to-buy-360000-more-rounds-of-hollow-point-ammunition/


    1.The King and his tributes are paranoid and showing their insecurity by doing what they do best and thats be bullies.Just look at the way they dress and arm their minions for domestic civil unrest.Dont you think its odd that the DHS and police depts have armored vehicles with 50 caliber machine guns mounted and show them off at shopping malls?

    2. Big purchases allows them greater purchasing power.

    3.Dry up the market & let the suppliers know whos boss.

    4.They are scared.



    What is really a hoot is that it is payed for by taxpayer money and monies borrowed from China.

    But maybe all of the spending is just for the purpose of lining their buddies pockets.

    Always follow the money....................
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    The real threat in the future will be a tax on ammo. How about a $1.00 per cartrage for startes. Certainly in the range of possibility, don't you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by caryalsobrook View Post
    The real threat in the future will be a tax on ammo. How about a $1.00 per cartrage for startes. Certainly in the range of possibility, don't you think?
    IMO that's exactly how it will play out...they know they cant beat the 2A in the courts, but they can tax ammo thru the roof OR they can declare it as a HAZMAT (lead) and make it so expensive to shoot or even illegal to dispense it in the atmosphere
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPL View Post
    Here are two possible responses to your post:

    1. So, what are the correct answers and how did the folks tested fair?

    2. Sure, that's what they SAID it was for. Psst, by the way, I have a big orange colored bridge I'm willing to sell chaap.
    They were found to have an insuffient knowledge of the role of the military. The author is a now a retired from the marines and is a conservitive speaker, who speaks frequently for the NRA. It is easy enough to look up if you take a few minutes.

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    Just another view on the topic. UB




    The Honorable Senator John Cornyn, State of Texas
    United States Senate
    517 Hart Senate Office Building
    Washington, D.C. 20510

    Re: Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and that agencies preparation for war against citizens of the United States of America

    Dear Senator Cornyn,

    It is with gravest concern that I write to you today concerning the recent appropriation of weapons by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that can only be understood as a bold threat of war by that agency, and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America. To date, DHS has been unwilling to provide to you, the elected representatives of the People, justification for recent purchases of more than 7,000 mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) armored personnel carriers, 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition (with associated weapons), and other weapons systems, when, in fact, the DHS has no war mission or war making authority within the limits of the United States of America.

    Significant is the fact that at the same time the Obama administration is arming his DHS for war within the limits of the United States against the People of the United States in accordance with his 2008 campaign speech claiming,

    "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve gotta (sic) have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded [as the United States military]" -- Candidate Barack Obama, 2008.

    The Obama administration is deliberately defunding, overextending, and hollowing the Department of Defense; the only legitimate agency of the U.S. government with a war mission.

    This act of the Obama administration stands as a glaring threat of war against our nation’s citizens! This act of the Obama administration can only be understood as a tyrannical threat against the Constitution of the United States of America! If left unresolved, the peace loving citizens who have sworn to defend the United States Constitution "against all enemies, both foreign and domestic" are left no option except to prepare to defend themselves, and the U.S. Constitution, against this Administration’s "coup" against the People and the foundations of liberty fought for and defended for the past 238 years. We have no choice if we honor our oaths.

    The only proper response to this threat against the American people is for the representatives of the People, the members of the U.S. House and Senate, to demand in clear terms that the Administration cannot ignore, that the Department of Homeland Security immediately surrender their newly appropriated weapons of war to the Department of Defense (DoD). Further, since the DHS has assumed a position in the Administration to enforce the tyrannical acts of this president against the People of the United States against the limits of the United States Constitution, it remains for the United States Congress to exercise its limiting power in the balancing of powers established by our founding fathers, to disestablish and dissolve the DHS as soon as possible. One needs only to look to the rise of Adolf Hitler, and his associated DHS organizations, the SA and the SS, of 1932-1934, to see the outcome of allowing an agency of government this kind of control over the free citizens of a nation. The people of Germany could not have imagined, until it was too late, the danger of allowing a tyrant this kind of power. We must not be so naĂŻve as to think it will not happen to us as well if we remain passive toward this power grab by the Marxist Obama administration!

    Finally, for more than two centuries the nation has lived in peace at home because of the protections of our legitimate military and the many appropriate state and federal law enforcement agencies, supported by Constitutional courts. We stand today at a cross-road. Will we allow this present Administration to overthrow our United States Constitution and its legal processes to amend injustices, or, will we honor our obligations to defend the Constitution against a "domestic" enemy?

    Our Constitution lays out the proper methods of resolving our differences; and it does not include its overthrow by a rogue agency of a Marxist leadership at home. You, sir, are our constitutionally elected agent to defend our Constitution at home. We are counting upon you. We remain aware, however, of this present threat and will not expose ourselves as an easy prey to the authors of the destruction of our nation.

    I know that this letter demands much of you. We elected you because we, the citizens of the State of Texas, believe that you are up to the task at hand and will, against all threats, honor your oath and office. We are also writing to your fellow members of the House and Senate to stand in integrity with the Constitution and against this present threat by the Obama administration and his DHS.

    We refuse to surrender our Constitution or our nation!

    Resolved,

    Captain Terry M. Hestilow
    United States Army, Retired
    Fort Worth, Texas
    March 23, 2013



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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    Just another view on the topic. UB


    The Honorable Senator John Cornyn, State of Texas
    United States Senate
    517 Hart Senate Office Building
    Washington, D.C. 20510

    Re: Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and that agencies preparation for war against citizens of the United States of America

    Dear Senator Cornyn,

    It is with gravest concern that I write to you today concerning the recent appropriation of weapons by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that can only be understood as a bold threat of war by that agency, and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America. To date, DHS has been unwilling to provide to you, the elected representatives of the People, justification for recent purchases of more than 7,000 mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) armored personnel carriers, 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition (with associated weapons), and other weapons systems, when, in fact, the DHS has no war mission or war making authority within the limits of the United States of America.

    Significant is the fact that at the same time the Obama administration is arming his DHS for war within the limits of the United States against the People of the United States in accordance with his 2008 campaign speech claiming,

    "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve gotta (sic) have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded [as the United States military]" -- Candidate Barack Obama, 2008.

    The Obama administration is deliberately defunding, overextending, and hollowing the Department of Defense; the only legitimate agency of the U.S. government with a war mission.

    This act of the Obama administration stands as a glaring threat of war against our nation’s citizens! This act of the Obama administration can only be understood as a tyrannical threat against the Constitution of the United States of America! If left unresolved, the peace loving citizens who have sworn to defend the United States Constitution "against all enemies, both foreign and domestic" are left no option except to prepare to defend themselves, and the U.S. Constitution, against this Administration’s "coup" against the People and the foundations of liberty fought for and defended for the past 238 years. We have no choice if we honor our oaths.

    The only proper response to this threat against the American people is for the representatives of the People, the members of the U.S. House and Senate, to demand in clear terms that the Administration cannot ignore, that the Department of Homeland Security immediately surrender their newly appropriated weapons of war to the Department of Defense (DoD). Further, since the DHS has assumed a position in the Administration to enforce the tyrannical acts of this president against the People of the United States against the limits of the United States Constitution, it remains for the United States Congress to exercise its limiting power in the balancing of powers established by our founding fathers, to disestablish and dissolve the DHS as soon as possible. One needs only to look to the rise of Adolf Hitler, and his associated DHS organizations, the SA and the SS, of 1932-1934, to see the outcome of allowing an agency of government this kind of control over the free citizens of a nation. The people of Germany could not have imagined, until it was too late, the danger of allowing a tyrant this kind of power. We must not be so naĂŻve as to think it will not happen to us as well if we remain passive toward this power grab by the Marxist Obama administration!

    Finally, for more than two centuries the nation has lived in peace at home because of the protections of our legitimate military and the many appropriate state and federal law enforcement agencies, supported by Constitutional courts. We stand today at a cross-road. Will we allow this present Administration to overthrow our United States Constitution and its legal processes to amend injustices, or, will we honor our obligations to defend the Constitution against a "domestic" enemy?

    Our Constitution lays out the proper methods of resolving our differences; and it does not include its overthrow by a rogue agency of a Marxist leadership at home. You, sir, are our constitutionally elected agent to defend our Constitution at home. We are counting upon you. We remain aware, however, of this present threat and will not expose ourselves as an easy prey to the authors of the destruction of our nation.

    I know that this letter demands much of you. We elected you because we, the citizens of the State of Texas, believe that you are up to the task at hand and will, against all threats, honor your oath and office. We are also writing to your fellow members of the House and Senate to stand in integrity with the Constitution and against this present threat by the Obama administration and his DHS.

    We refuse to surrender our Constitution or our nation!

    Resolved,

    Captain Terry M. Hestilow
    United States Army, Retired
    Fort Worth, Texas
    March 23, 2013



    Some one forget the Civil War, Pearl Harbor, and the 9-11 attacks? Lets cross our fingers that it never comes to testing our citizens resolve to be free. In the last election it seemed people were celebrating giving it up.

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