But, also, as a judge my answer is sensible as most of the others were- judge the WHOLE blind. As a handler, I was tossed once for a PIL ,despite having put the dog back on line quickly and handled nicely to the bird. So I guess all of us are different in what we want to see. Some are sticklers for one thing but lax on others, and vice versa . Interesting gang- anyone else care to comment on this?