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    OK havin' a look.
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    Video 1
    Well done.
    I can't make out the end of the field in the video.
    I assume this is a Taught or Known or Sight blind as we call them not a cold blind? That is, dog has been there before or there is a visible marker. If this was a cold blind where dog that dog has never seen or run before I would say Very good job.
    My only comment would be, it is far more desirable to have dog looking out in the field, keen to identify what you intend to show him. If dog is looking up at you makes things difficult.
    I assume you train puppies with treats. At 7 months of age or when ever you get down to serious business, time to stop giving treats all together except when dog is done and walking back to kennel.
    Are they looking up at you for a reason other than cookies?
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    OK
    Video 2
    Stop the video at 1:52.
    Draw a line up dogs spine from base of tail to neck.
    Where does this line point in relation to dummy? At the low mountain on the left I think.
    Try bringing dog to you vs leaning into dog.
    When spine is lined up with dummy and dog is looking that direction, send.
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    By the way your dogs look very nice indeed? I'll have 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breck View Post
    Video 1
    Well done.
    I can't make out the end of the field in the video.
    I assume this is a Taught or Known or Sight blind as we call them not a cold blind? That is, dog has been there before or there is a visible marker. If this was a cold blind where dog that dog has never seen or run before I would say Very good job.
    My only comment would be, it is far more desirable to have dog looking out in the field, keen to identify what you intend to show him. If dog is looking up at you makes things difficult.
    I assume you train puppies with treats. At 7 months of age or when eer you get down to serious business, time to stop giving treats all together except when dog is done and walking back to kennel.
    Never had a treat in their lives. Don't train that way.They do come like a steam train to food bowl at chow time though
    The pup had been training on marks at different areas in that field all morning and Yes! had been sent there earlier in the day.
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    OK Video 3
    Hee hee
    Interesting dog stayed closer to you on the right side send vs left.
    With dog on left if you were to try and make dog more comfortable being close to you it would be helpful.
    With dog at heel, over here anyway, it is nice if dogs neck/collar is nearly touching your pants leg. Their front foot inches from yours.
    Not sure if that position works for what you do.
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    Polmaise, thanks that was great. I might have a play with this too. I'm currently reworking on lining with one of mine, who steps out to the side a bit when focusing on the line. I can see yours does it a little too. Almost a product of right hand lining on left side as dog had to take a line off the hand to the 'object' in the distance from a different point of view than us.

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    OK
    Can you explain what you do in training that makes dog keen to look up at you?
    Over here, that only time my dog looks at me is when returning to heel with bird.
    With dog at heel like in your videos, my dog would be scanning the field trying to sort out where the guns were or what have you.
    We do a fair amount of specific training to teach dog to look out into field, as that's where the birds are.
    "Darla" AFC Candlewoods Lil Smokin Tequila (2002-2013)(fondly remembered)
    "Smoke" Smokin Auggies Menace, QAA (2003- )(retired nut case, ask Rando)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breck View Post
    OK
    Video 2
    Stop the video at 1:52.
    Draw a line up dogs spine from base of tail to neck.
    Where does this line point in relation to dummy? At the low mountain on the left I think.
    Try bringing dog to you vs leaning into dog.
    When spine is lined up with dummy and dog is looking that direction, send.
    After todays first attempt at the new line line up position, I was more intent to get the first base in, regarding the hand over the head for these pups, but Yes agree with the point.That's why videoing yourself is a good idea for any handler/trainer....Not an excuse!, but as these 'traditional British' style dogs had been previously conditioned to a different line up and cast off drill,I think they were 'shying' away?..which I am sure will rectify through repetition . ps No-Collar training, No clicker,just plain old Retriever.
    Thanks for your comments much appreciated
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breck View Post
    OK Video 3
    Hee hee
    Interesting dog stayed closer to you on the right side send vs left.
    With dog on left if you were to try and make dog more comfortable being close to you it would be helpful.
    With dog at heel, over here anyway, it is nice if dogs neck/collar is nearly touching your pants leg. Their front foot inches from yours.
    Not sure if that position works for what you do.
    Ha Ha. Had a laugh at that one too!! I think she was a bit confused with the change in what she had been conditioned for to be fair,poor girl being used as a 'Guinea Pig', but it showed me 'They will adapt' to changes in their training ! 'If the end goal is the same'? (for them)..
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