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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Johnson View Post
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    The closure on mental health facilities is happening all over the country. I retired from the state mental health agency in Alabama in 2010. Since I retired, 2 (of 5) mental illness facilities have closed. These 2 served about 600 residents. Within the next 12 months, a third will downsize from about 400 residents to about 200. Within the past 10 years, 2 other facilities have closed serving about 250 residents including the only facility for youth. Also within the past 10 years, all the centers for residents with mental retardation have closed!

    These closures are because of two forces that feed off each other. First, there is a move to put residents in the community rather than to isolate them in large facilities. This is a result of pressure by parents and advocates. Second, these facilities need huge capital outlays to maintain and in our case, it was easier to accede to the forces that seek closure than to try to get money to repair them. For example, one of our facilities needed almost 10 million in repairs to the mechanical and electrical systems. Making these repairs would have saved almost $20 million over 20 years but somebody felt it was less expensive just to close the facility. (I had a project worked out that would have paid for the repairs out of the utility savings the repairs would generate.)

    Closure of both mental retardation and mental illness facilities is also a hot button within the Federal Ct system. Thus, we closed the mental retardation beds to suit the advocates but there aren't sufficient beds in the community to accept all the people who need them. These folks are living at home, many of them in terrible conditions, program-wise, as opposed living to the mental retardation centers.

    What I did was manage the land assets of the agency. We had about 15,000 acres of land all over the state. I worked to keep the land as an income stream that was used for major repairs .... roofs, boilers, elevators, etc. I used to claim to be the only profit center in the entire agency as we had income of over $1 million a year from our land....farm leases, commercial leases, hunting leases, oil-gas drilling rights and leases, etc. Since my retirement, the Dept has sold hundreds of acres of land and used the money for operating expenses. So, where we had an assured income for repairs, now the source of the income is gone and the money was spent in one budget cycle.

    In short, the mental health system in this country just can't accommodate folks like the Sandy Hook shooter because the system has deteriorated so badly that it just can't be fixed without huge sums of money that just aren't available. The state facilities have deteriorated so badly because of legislative neglect that they're cheaper to close that to operate. Instead, the money is going to prisons...and so are large numbers of the people the mental health system used to serve.

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    Very, very good post. You made some great points.
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    I will say as far as Conspiriacy goes, that I don't believe there would have been a push for an assault weopons ban if Sandy Hook happened before the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HPL View Post
    Where did you read that (bolded)
    Forget what anyone reads. I would much rather go with my local sources on the ground that I know and trust. I grew up 20 minutes from Sandy Hook. I personally know first reponders. Years ago all of local 911 was dispatched out of Newtown as regional. When I ran emt out of NF Newtown was our dispatch. Who would I believe a bunch of CT liberal idiot politians or those that I worked with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Johnson View Post
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    The closure on mental health facilities is happening all over the country. I retired from the state mental health agency in Alabama in 2010. Since I retired, 2 (of 5) mental illness facilities have closed. These 2 served about 600 residents. Within the next 12 months, a third will downsize from about 400 residents to about 200. Within the past 10 years, 2 other facilities have closed serving about 250 residents including the only facility for youth. Also within the past 10 years, all the centers for residents with mental retardation have closed!

    These closures are because of two forces that feed off each other. First, there is a move to put residents in the community rather than to isolate them in large facilities. This is a result of pressure by parents and advocates. Second, these facilities need huge capital outlays to maintain and in our case, it was easier to accede to the forces that seek closure than to try to get money to repair them. For example, one of our facilities needed almost 10 million in repairs to the mechanical and electrical systems. Making these repairs would have saved almost $20 million over 20 years but somebody felt it was less expensive just to close the facility. (I had a project worked out that would have paid for the repairs out of the utility savings the repairs would generate.)

    Closure of both mental retardation and mental illness facilities is also a hot button within the Federal Ct system. Thus, we closed the mental retardation beds to suit the advocates but there aren't sufficient beds in the community to accept all the people who need them. These folks are living at home, many of them in terrible conditions, program-wise, as opposed living to the mental retardation centers.

    What I did was manage the land assets of the agency. We had about 15,000 acres of land all over the state. I worked to keep the land as an income stream that was used for major repairs .... roofs, boilers, elevators, etc. I used to claim to be the only profit center in the entire agency as we had income of over $1 million a year from our land....farm leases, commercial leases, hunting leases, oil-gas drilling rights and leases, etc. Since my retirement, the Dept has sold hundreds of acres of land and used the money for operating expenses. So, where we had an assured income for repairs, now the source of the income is gone and the money was spent in one budget cycle.

    In short, the mental health system in this country just can't accommodate folks like the Sandy Hook shooter because the system has deteriorated so badly that it just can't be fixed without huge sums of money that just aren't available. The state facilities have deteriorated so badly because of legislative neglect that they're cheaper to close that to operate. Instead, the money is going to prisons...and so are large numbers of the people the mental health system used to serve.

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    Money was not the issue in this case! Remember his father was a bigwig GE exec. Of course that is never talked about as we cant have GE be in a bad light. Afterall GE bought bumma a presidency so what ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmylabs23139 View Post
    Forget what anyone reads. I would much rather go with my local sources on the ground that I know and trust. I grew up 20 minutes from Sandy Hook. I personally know first reponders. Years ago all of local 911 was dispatched out of Newtown as regional. When I ran emt out of NF Newtown was our dispatch. Who would I believe a bunch of CT liberal idiot politians or those that I worked with?
    OK, so perhaps I shouldhave asked "How do you know that? I have read conflicting stories and the long gun story plays right into the anti gun agenda so I am a bit hesitant to take that at face value from the early conflicting reports." Then your answer could have been "I have spoken personally with some of the first folks on the scene and they said that he did indeed have the long gun in the school and it was a different one in the trunk".
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDogger View Post
    Please cite some evidence. Your "feelings" are very lefty...JD
    Evidence for which statement....

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