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    The joint CanAm team was a North American effort to go to Britain and play by IGL rules using N.American trained dogs, a very courageous endeavour indeed. Curious that no European individual or group has felt the same spirit of adventure compel them to venture over here in Field Trials on either side of the 49th?

    The rules are very different on both sides of the Atlantic, thus far only one side has shown nerve enough to brave the peculiarities of the others game. Eug, Polmaise, when are you coming?

    It seems an almost impossible task to create a homogenized set of rules that could be readily agreed upon, so baring a major sponsor stepping up to create an independent venue with an approximation of a pan Atlantic set of rules, questions of supremacy of one training regimen or another will remain to be dealt with by the privateer with the greatest confidence.

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    Just on a side note: I'd find it relatively easy to train for US type Field Trials, all I need by way of extra equipment is a big field, a big waggly pond, and an e-collar.

    For folks in North American to train for UK Field Trials on driven shoots and walked up days in variable cover and terrain wouldn't be nearly so easy. Not I think impossible, but very hard and pretty expensive. If I want to take a dog along to a driven shoot and let him watch 350 birds shot all round him, I just drive two miles and it costs me nothing. Same with a walk up day where there will be Spaniels working in front of us. A tough call in the US and Canada.

    However sponsorship is the big deal breaker IMO; a team of four competitors, a chef d'equipe and a bag man, eight dogs, dog passports and appropriate shots, flights, accommodation and ground travel isn't a cheap proposition, way beyond that of most individuals.

    Mr Voight competed at Sherborne Castle, if he sees this thread it would be nice to have his observations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Blimp View Post
    Just on a side note: I'd find it relatively easy to train for US type Field Trials, all I need by way of extra equipment is a big field, a big waggly pond, and an e-collar. For folks in North American to train for UK Field Trials on driven shoots and walked up days in variable cover and terrain wouldn't be nearly so easy. Not I think impossible, but very hard and pretty expensive. If I want to take a dog along to a driven shoot and let him watch 350 birds shot all round him, I just drive two miles and it costs me nothing. Same with a walk up day where there will be Spaniels working in front of us. A tough call in the US and Canada.

    However sponsorship is the big deal breaker IMO; a team of four competitors, a chef d'equipe and a bag man, eight dogs, dog passports and appropriate shots, flights, accommodation and ground travel isn't a cheap proposition, way beyond that of most individuals.

    Mr Voight competed at Sherborne Castle, if he sees this thread it would be nice to have his observations.

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    GD,

    Great pics!. Does Ms Cleveland play in a band? She appears to be wearing a trumpet round her neck.

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    So by way of equipment or facilities what else is there? Launchers? Tick. E-collar sequential programs? Tick. Assistants and bird boys,? Tick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartona500 View Post
    I definitely want to see this conversation continue into something actually happening. Another question is, how do you get this to lead to something actually credited? Will kennel clubs get together to agree on a prefix for the winner? The UK has "Int. FTCH"... I wonder what would work for giving credit to the dogs who placed/won?
    Our UK Kennel Club do not give any credence/formal awards for 'working tests' which is what these events (a la the Home International at CLA Game Fair and the Skinners World Cup - formerly Sherbourne ) are categorised as. As they are only run on dummies, out of season. None of our working tests actually give the dogs any titles, even at Open level here.

    Also, INT. FT. CH is a title used for dogs, throughout Europe, that have won trials/been made up to FTCH in more than one country. It is not just related to UK, I think. So, it could be Italy and Belgium? I might be wrong on that though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blind ambition View Post
    The joint CanAm team was a North American effort to go to Britain and play by IGL rules using N.American trained dogs, a very courageous endeavour indeed. Curious that no European individual or group has felt the same spirit of adventure compel them to venture over here in Field Trials on either side of the 49th?

    The rules are very different on both sides of the Atlantic, thus far only one side has shown nerve enough to brave the peculiarities of the others game. Eug, Polmaise, when are you coming?

    It seems an almost impossible task to create a homogenized set of rules that could be readily agreed upon, so baring a major sponsor stepping up to create an independent venue with an approximation of a pan Atlantic set of rules, questions of supremacy of one training regimen or another will remain to be dealt with by the privateer with the greatest confidence.

    As we used to say in a game at school.... Red rover, red rover, let xxxxx come over
    and as the SAS would say.....who dares wins
    For the Skinners World Cup Event (which was the former event your team came to at Sherbourne), this test is judged by four International judges, invited from the competing countries. It is judged on UK KC/FCI (European rules).

    I think the main stumbling block for any of the UK folk to come over to USA and compete is the small matter of rabies! I think we would be able to get our dogs out of this country and come over, but bringing them home with us would be a whole new matter! Our quarantine rules are fairly strict, and I think it is still 6 months quarantine coming in from a rabies country? I guess we could leave the dogs behind and sell them to the highest bidder?!!!!.........

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    I may be wrong but SRS titles dont show on AKC pedigrees either I am not sure I have never looked at UKC pedigree to know if they do or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Blimp View Post
    GD,

    Great pics!. Does Ms Cleveland play in a band? She appears to be wearing a trumpet round her neck.

    Duckquilizer posted So by way of equipment or facilities what else is there? Launchers? Tick. E-collar sequential programs? Tick. Assistants and bird boys,? Tick.
    Eug
    It helps to have a dog that's even remotely talented enough to do the work. Natural talent is the easiest part. The trained abilities will be were you find the learning curve the greatest and that will have little to do with pup... You will better served by having access to 8-10 big fields and all the technical water/ponds you can find. There never seems to be enough. The bugle is required to reach the dog that looks like a speck on your eye specktacle...
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