It was my original post. i spent the last two mornings sending her at close(20') range to three groups of three bumpers. I was close enough to yell a loud no! when she dropped her initial selection, called her back to heel and sent her again with loud praises if she brought back her first touch. Did pretty good yesterday and not a miss today! I'll back off tomorrow to greater distance but so far i'm encouraged.
It appears that there are different definitions of "shopping". I think of it as a dog looking at one then another then another then finally picking one up. IMO once they pick one up, they should bring it promptly to hand. If they drop one and then get another, it is a switch. No switches ever allowed!!!!!!
Before I begin pile work, mine are already collar fetched and if they pick one up, then drop it, it is correction time. I let them look around for the right one when they get to the pile, but once it is off the ground, it better be coming toward me.
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Some shop without picking up others have one in mouth while looking for another, most times its indecision on the dogs parts, probably the 1st time he has seen multiple choices. So simplify it for him more seperation between bumpers at 1st and a check cord. When he picks the 1st bumper up, no here and a tug on rope with either choke chain or pinch collar, whichever he has been trained with. Create a desire to pick up and return quickly.
Switching is a huge no-no, and it comes to light when a diversion bird is thrown on the dogs path while returning from a retrieve, as in a hunt test
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Are you referring to the dog hunting one mark ,leaving the fall area to hunt a different bird..? There is another application for the term switch...
When there is a diversion bird thrown close to the line a dog is returning on they can be tempted to switch birds ....Any time a dog picks one off the ground and drops it for another one it is a problem ...They should never lay one down once it is in their mouth ...That is how cripple birds escape....Steve S
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My dog can handle a simple diversion so far. What's hard is having a pile of 5 to 9 bumpers in a small circle of space. Which one do you want, Ma?
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Obviously new to this and many here have offered advice and thoughts based on a lot more experiance then I have. The one thing I have learned, the hard way, is its easier to train then to correct. By allowing to shop, I have no clue on what future poor behaviors this has foundationally been built on by allowing my pup to shop. If I am honest with myself, I don't send my pup to the pile saying "go ahead and shop and when your feel your done and deciding, come on back to me with it". So I just lowered my standards and thats a slippery slope. But each dog and owner is different and I have to weigh the cost/benifit of maybe nagging and loosing sight of the drills objective if I have a dog that cant handle nagging well.
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Later if conditioned e collar nick lowest compliance level. If still a problem go back to walking fetch for a few days.