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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    You might want to refer to this website: www.undeniablegoldens.com
    Top producing sires for FCs:

    1 NAFC-FC TOPBRASS COTTON OS FDHF 7 /6 /1978 Male 5 FC Offspring
    2 AFC YANKEE'S SMOKE'N RED DEVIL OS 1 /18/1978 Male 5 FC Offspring
    3 FC-AFC BONNIE BROOKS ELMER OS FDHF 1 /27/1965 Male
    4 FC Offspring4 AFC HOLWAY BARTY OS 2 /22/1971 Male 4 FC Offspring
    5 FC-AFC OAKCREEK'S SIR DORCHESTER OS FDHF 1 /30/1948 Male 4 FC Offspring
    6 POIKA OF HANDJEM OS 11/1 /1961 Male 4 FC Offspring
    7 JOLLY AGAIN OF OUILMETTE CD *** OS 10/12/1961 Male 3 FC Offspring
    8 ROCKHAVEN TUCK ** OS 10/26/1934 Male 3 FC Offspring
    9 STILROVIN BEARCAT OS 6 /15/1953 Male 3 FC Offspring
    10 STILROVIN BULLET *** OS 8 /8 /1936 Male 3 FC Offspring
    11 WRAITH'S DUNCAN MH *** OS 10/14/1984 Male 3 FC Offspring

    Top Producing Sires for AFCs
    1 AFC HOLWAY BARTY OS 2 /22/1971 Male 7 AFC Offspring
    2 AFC YANKEE'S SMOKE'N RED DEVIL OS 1 /18/1978 Male 7 AFC Offspring
    3 FC-AFC BONNIE BROOKS ELMER OS FDHF 1 /27/1965 Male 5 AFC Offspring
    4 NAFC-FC TOPBRASS COTTON OS FDHF 7 /6 /1978 Male 5 AFC Offspring
    5 FC-AFC OAKCREEK'S SIR DORCHESTER OS FDHF 1 /30/1948 Male 4 AFC Offspring
    6 POIKA OF HANDJEM OS 11/1 /1961 Male 4 AFC Offspring
    7 WRAITH'S DUNCAN MH *** OS 10/14/1984 Male 4 AFC Offspring
    8 JOLLY AGAIN OF OUILMETTE CD *** OS 10/12/1961 Male 3 AFC Offspring
    9 FC-AFC KINIKE CHANCELLOR OS FDHF 8 /20/1969 Male 3 AFC Offspring
    10 STILROVIN BEARCAT OS 6 /15/1953 Male 3 AFC Offspring
    11 FC-AFC TIGATHOE'S KIOWA II OS FDHF 11/11/1971 Male 3 AFC Offspring
    12 FC WRAITHS HTR MN BRO MACDHUIBH OS 10/14/1995 Male 3 AFC Offspring

    It is then interesting to note the pedigree connections between these more recent top producing sires:Cotton & Duncan are both Barty sons; and Red was a Barty grandson. Elmer was a son of Tuffy; and Ki a son of Elmer.You might say that it's a small world

    Since field trials keep getting more competitive and tests more difficult, (not to mention more expensive!) I might wonder than ANY sire will be able to top the #s of 5 and 7 of the present top producing sires. However, when going back to the dogs on this list from the 50s, we also need to take into account that the #s competing were not as large as those in later years. By the 70s and 80s the # of entries had grown dramatically.

    Top Producing Sires of QAA
    1 AFC HOLWAY BARTY OS 2 /22/1971 Male 42 AllAge Offspring
    2 AFC YANKEE'S SMOKE'N RED DEVIL OS 1 /18/1978 Male 37 AllAge Offspring
    3 NAFC-FC TOPBRASS COTTON OS FDHF 7 /6 /1978 Male 36 AllAge Offspring
    4 AFC EMBERAIN RUGBY WCX OS FDHF 3 /16/1999 Male 27 AllAge Offspring
    5 FC WRAITHS HTR MN BRO MACDHUIBH OS 10/14/1995 Male 26 AllAge Offspring
    6 FC-AFC CHIEF SANDS OS FDHF 12/3 /1966 Male 22 AllAge Offspring
    7 FC-AFC TANGELO'S SIDE KICK OS FDHF 5 /23/1981 Male 22 AllAge Offspring
    8 FC-AFC GLENHAVEN HTRS MN BARONET MH OS FDHF 6 /15/1996 Male 19 AllAge Offspring
    9 FC-AFC TIGATHOE'S KIOWA II OS FDHF 11/11/1971 Male 18 AllAge Offspring
    10 FC-AFC WINDBREAKERS MIGHTY MO OS FDHF 3 /28/1983 Male 16 AllAge Offspring
    11 WRAITH'S DUNCAN MH *** OS 10/14/1984 Male 16 AllAge Offspring

    I think our hope springs eternal because those who have played the game realize that there are many other good performers out there who just won't quite make it into a lot of the statistics.

    (Sorry for the crummy formatting, the cut 'n paste didn't retain the formatting.)
    I owned a QAA male sired by Tigathoe's KiowaII. He was a big, proud looking male like his sire. He won a Q at Niagra Falls with Pro Bill Little handling. I also owned a Barty male that was very different in looks from my Kiowa male. My Barty dog was much smaller, lighter boned and faster. But, the best male Golden I'd ever seen running All Age was Wyngate's Sungold Sundance who was FC AFC at 4 years(amateur trained) running against Texas and Louisiana dogs and Pros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    It is then interesting to note the pedigree connections between these more recent top producing sires:Cotton & Duncan are both Barty sons
    Pretty sure that Duncan was actually a Cotton son. But, we get the idea.
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    Jennifer, Kippy is the frontrunnerto get a nice dominant male that acts like he has a little Carolina Leg Hound in him!

    Earl, I agree. So many great field Golden's from central Illinois from the likes of Harold Bruninga, Jackie Mertins as well as the Miners and Sharon Long. Wisconsin and Minnesota both have had many great Golden's ran by both amateurs and pros.

    Don't forget the St. Louis area and Golden history. Paul Bakewell had several Golden's that made it to the top. The Wallace's also had a number of nice dogs. They were also influential in the Busch area, home of the most NRCs.


    And don't forget the Wallace's Retriever Hall of Fame trainer that always had nice Golden's. His nickname was the "kid". Most of us know him as Tommy Sorenson.

    I would also add Stoneybrooks Jersey Devil. I really liked every one of his pups!

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    Nancy Miner was one if the original Dick Kern's groupies that I wrote in a few paragraphs back . She had Bonnie Brooks Danny, I think he had 8 or 9AA points. Nancy (used to be Carlsen) started about the time I had Goldens mid 1960s trained with her, co owned a dog with her. Remind her famous obedience daughter Bridget Carlsen she used to be in diapers when they visited our house. They lived in a North Chicago suburb at the time. My thoughts were way back 1950s, 1940's, And where it all started from Mississippi Valley to Tri State to Wisconsin Amateur Midwest Field Trial club, oldest clubs in the Nation. Others like Harold, Sharon, Jackie, all great contributors but more contemporary. And John dont forget yourself!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bait View Post
    Pretty sure that Duncan was actually a Cotton son. But, we get the idea.
    You're right, Bait ... my brain skipped a beat
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    Yeah, I can relate. Mine skips just about every other beat.
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    The first Field Trial Golden I ever saw being trained was Superior's Chevas,MH,*** owned by Tom Colstad. He was my neighbor and my teacher in HS.
    I used to go and watch him train with Ed Shoenbach(spelling?).
    I saw them run at the Manitowoc FT club my senior yr.
    Vern Weber was fun to listen talk of the Goldens he had.
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    Gerry, Thanks for your post #100! Love your thoughts on this stuff.

    This whole discussion has me thinking about "good nicks". Could one look at past successes "nicks" and predict future ones? I don't know...

    Just thinking out loud, but could one go back and look at the successful "nicks" that make up a Cotton, a Duncan, a Rip, a Boomer (all closely tied to English genes) and create a new "good nick" ?

    Food for thought...

    edit: to clarify, could we go to current English FTCH of lines that match those of proven lines that led to Barty and his offspring, and mix those with the American lines that made good "nicks" with the English. Clear as mud?
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    Here one for ya Jen,great lady of the past,I`m sure someone will figger the dog.Jimtorch 001.jpg

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    Sorry about the quality,these have been in a closet for who knows how long.I`m not real good on this computer but will have some more of the old days comin up soon.

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