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    Quote Originally Posted by polmaise View Post

    If it's So easy to Force', Is it not just as easy to 'Un-Force'?....Hmmmm.
    Who is it who has that great Mitch Patterson quote about it being much easier to put pressure on a dog that taking it off? That is so true, easy to force, not so easy to "un-force".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breck View Post
    When accelerating a front wheel drive sports car through a curve, a smart driver applies both brake and accelerator. If you just apply accelerator you'll run out of steering and your ass end will spin out. If you just apply brakes in the curve without accelerator why drive a sports car?
    Late braking, early apex, fly off hand brake to break the rear loose, induce oversteer countering unequal half shaft torque understeer, full throttle to the exit, Cooper S only fwd worth racing. But I digress, force done fairly does not require undoing.
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    Drifter eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Robinson View Post
    Who is it who has that great Mitch Patterson quote about it being much easier to put pressure on a dog that taking it off?........


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    Quote Originally Posted by blind ambition View Post
    Late braking, early apex, fly off hand brake to break the rear loose, induce oversteer countering unequal half shaft torque understeer, full throttle to the exit, Cooper S only fwd worth racing. But I digress, force done fairly does not require undoing.


    Yep, so very true...
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    So to Railroad....do you know if the previous owner attempted to FF, OR applied pressure at the waters edge ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridget Bodine View Post
    Are you sure the previous owner did not try forcing?
    My first thought and I would venture a good guess.
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    And here , MG, We see the same as the 'Honest' wee guy! (Kerr) asking of the intrepid 'Wullie' ? (retorting) with the same 'drivvle', er ' in football ,dribble
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    X2, get her jumping off the bank because she wants to, before contemplating using any force. Use a clean pond with an easy entry, shackled bird thrown from line right in front of her should do it, don't be too quick to add distance to throw or bring out a gunner until she seems to love it as much as charging in from 20 yards back. Forget steadiness or any other issues....for now your standard for her is jumping off the bank with wild abandon, once that is achieved reestablish steadiness but by gentle measures. Maybe save the heeling stick or collar when sending from well back of the shore. Give her simple non cheating marks regardless of where you run from or if you run a cheating mark be sure you can use attrition and handling to stop and redirect her, you wouldn't want to start collar correcting anywhere near the waters edge for some time to come.
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