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    This weekend at an agility trial a woman comes up to me to talk about Labradors. She runs a BFL and I run CFL. She starts telling me she is looking at getting another puppy and would like to run it in agility. She then shows me two pictures of silver "Lab" puppies and tells me she does not know which one to get. I tell her they are not a recognized color. She tells me they are registered as chocolate, but in a couple years the silver color will be recognized and then they will be registered as silver. Has anyone else heard this? She also told me they are DNA tested pure Labs and have all the health clearances. I did not get the name of the breeder, but I told her to go to the shelter and get a puppy, but she told me silver is in high demand and she is going to pay $1,200. for this puppy. I have read stories about these breeders, but is the AKC or Lab parent club really going to recognize this color or is this another selling point??? I know most field people are not interested in silver, but how do the show people feel about the color? Doesn't the parent club make the rules and do both show and field people have to agree on a change?



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    Isn't it crazy people will pay more for silver than chocolate and they'll pay more for red than yellow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terri View Post
    This weekend at an agility trial a woman comes up to me to talk about Labradors. She runs a BFL and I run CFL. She starts telling me she is looking at getting another puppy and would like to run it in agility. She then shows me two pictures of silver "Lab" puppies and tells me she does not know which one to get. I tell her they are not a recognized color. She tells me they are registered as chocolate, but in a couple years the silver color will be recognized and then they will be registered as silver. Has anyone else heard this? She also told me they are DNA tested pure Labs and have all the health clearances. I did not get the name of the breeder, but I told her to go to the shelter and get a puppy, but she told me silver is in high demand and she is going to pay $1,200. for this puppy. I have read stories about these breeders, but is the AKC or Lab parent club really going to recognize this color or is this another selling point??? I know most field people are not interested in silver, but how do the show people feel about the color? Doesn't the parent club make the rules and do both show and field people have to agree on a change?



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    this is what is on the AKC Labrador Retriever Club's web site about silver labs
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    Boy does this sound familiar! In 1991 a guy who bought a started Lab from me told me he was going to get a silver and then the same conversation....in two years they would be a registered color...I offered to bet...he did not take me on..and here we are today...round and round!
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    A part of me wants to see her this weekend and give her a print out from the AKC Retriever Labrador Clubs web site, but I might feel better to just bet her big money. I hate to see people get burned, but sometimes when I have tried to help I just feel the heat. Most people have to learn the hard way.

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    Weimerdor?

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    Here's my question, and it may be a dumb one.....but if you can register a "silver" lab as a chocolate, what's the difference? AKC is recognizing the animal, just not as a "silver" lab. Can someone explain this?

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    Registering "silvers" as chocolates is misrepesentation. It is not a muted chocolate...as stated on the LRC website, the general concensus is that they were cross-bred with Weims and are not purebred.

    There is no genetic test avaialble yet to test a dog for purity--we can't run blood samples and say this is a Lab, this is a crossbred, this is a boxer, etc. I read somewhere that this testing is on the horizon, but have no idea if/when it will really happen.

    AKC does not monitor these types of things. It is up to the parent club of the breed. If someone marks "chocolate" on the registration papers, there is no way for AKC to know it isn't a chocolate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwk56 View Post
    Registering "silvers" as chocolates is misrepesentation. It is not a muted chocolate...as stated on the LRC website, the general concensus is that they were cross-bred with Weims and are not purebred.

    There is no genetic test avaialble yet to test a dog for purity--we can't run blood samples and say this is a Lab, this is a crossbred, this is a boxer, etc. I read somewhere that this testing is on the horizon, but have no idea if/when it will really happen.

    AKC does not monitor these types of things. It is up to the parent club of the breed. If someone marks "chocolate" on the registration papers, there is no way for AKC to know it isn't a chocolate.

    Meredith
    Gotcha....thanks. So, you're saying somewhere in the dog's line, a labrador was bred with a Weim? Know the color of the dog is recessive, but I wonder if it really comes from Weims??? Interesting.....

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    Technically, I do not think there is a "dilute" gene in Labradors, so the only way to get "sliver" or "charcoal" is cross-breeding. Here is the best color genetics explanation for Labs I have ever found:

    http://www.blueknightlabs.com/color/coatcolor.html

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