Silver "Labs" and AKC

[Shawn White]

Everyone return to their cells ,I see a lock down coming.

[FOM]

Everyone return to their cells ,I see a lock down coming.

Not yet, but Robert you need to calm down and please watch the language (acronyms).

And please everyone else watch what you post, it is obvious this is a touchy subject for many. It is obvious that someone's comment was taken personally, please think before you hit submit.

And lastly, please don't take the bait...sometimes it's best to let things be.

FOM
RTF Moderator

[Takem_brewer]

DO YOU REALLY WANT TO THREATEN POEPLE!!!!!
by all means YOU CAN START WITH ME!!!!!!
I WILL NOT BACK DOWN!!!!

well then i say we go string up all them silver breeding SOB's from gdluck!

Just for curiosities sake, do you health test your breeding stock? I see you breed silver labs.

[robert stoeberl]

Yes i do and this is what we do.

• Hip Dysplasia
• Heritable eye disease (CERF)
• Exercise Induced Collapse (EIC)
• Centronuclear Myopathy (CNM)

[Bridget Bodine]

I am really very curious Robert, do you have a 5 or 6 generation pedigree you might share? Do your dogs come from field breedings or show breedings?

[ginnyr]

why can't the LAB have a dilute gene? IS not the LAB from the st john's dog or the Newfoundland like the Chesapeake Bay retriever? Chesapeakes have had ASH or the dilute brown historically for a long period of time. Newfoundland also have had dilute browns.

[copterdoc]

why can't the LAB have a dilute gene? IS not the LAB from the st john's dog or the Newfoundland like the Chesapeake Bay retriever? Chesapeakes have had ASH or the dilute brown historically for a long period of time. Newfoundland also have had dilute browns.

It doesn't matter what breeds made up the foundation dogs for the Labrador Retriever breed.

That's completely, and utterly irrelevant.

The Labrador Retriever, is it's OWN breed today. And it's a breed that is not SUPPOSED TO have any recessive d's, anywhere in any of the dogs being registered with the AKC.
They are supposed to ALL be gone.

Just like there is not supposed to be any non-dilute Weimaraners, there are not supposed to be any dilute Labs.

The Weimaraner breed got rid of all the big D's. The Labrador breed got rid of all the little d's.

That was really hard to do.
Harder in Labs, because dilution is the recessive expression of what's in the D locus.

These "Silver Lab" breeders are doing the exact opposite of what they are SUPPOSED TO do, when their lines express dilution.
Instead of striving to stop it's spread, they are INTENTIONALLY reproducing it.

[robert stoeberl]

I am really very curious Robert, do you have a 5 or 6 generation pedigree you might share? Do your dogs come from field breedings or show breedings?

bridget sorry no i will not share my pedigrees on here. i will tell u some of them came from just pet breeders and came from field lines.
all my dogs run in AKC and UKC hunt tests! all but one has a title.

[Pals]

oh oh.........

baaaaaaad peanuts!

[Ironman]

It doesn't matter what breeds made up the foundation dogs for the Labrador Retriever breed.

That's completely, and utterly irrelevant....

...These "Silver Lab" breeders are doing the exact opposite of what they are SUPPOSED TO do, when their lines express dilution.
Instead of striving to stop it's spread, they are INTENTIONALLY reproducing it.

If the foundations of our breed are "utterly irrelevant" than so too is the breed. The breed is only as good as its foundation, it is what defines a breed!

One could say these "field Lab" breeders are doing the exact opposite of what they are SUPPOSED TO do, when their lines express out of standard traits.
Instead of striving to stop it's spread, they are INTENTIONALLY reproducing it.
I don't know how many times I have read excuses here as to why it is just fine for field breeders to breed completely out of standard dogs because they love to retrieve more than breathe. It seems to me the kettle is calling the pot black....which some here claim is the only true Labrador color. I suppose that clears it up! We should all breed for and run fire-breathing, carnivorous black gazelles with a killer drive for retrieving.