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    Default Master Hunt Test Scenario -

    Information was relayed second hand, also have no vested interest, just a topic of conversation -

    Dog at the line....bird 1, bird 2, gets a no bird.

    Comes back up, all three birds go down...8 - 9 seconds pass, handler has to turn around and look at the judges..."Oh Dog"

    Dog is doing a little head swinging during the delay, handler gets the dog cued in on a bird, dog splits the difference between two birds, goes deep, has a substantial hunt, but works it's way back to the mark. Judge instructs handler to leash up his dog prior to sending on the second and third mark.

    My question is - how is that handler not allowed to pick up all three, then a decision made about whether to carry the dog or not? It isn't like you get to "0" out one of the marks, the triple is scored as one number...sure, you get a lower score, but what if that dog goes out and steps on the other two...again, this is second hand information, but it seems to me that the dog and handler should have been allowed to pick up the other two marks regardless of what happened on the first one...or given a rerun due to the judges sleeping at the switch....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Labs View Post
    Information was relayed second hand, also have no vested interest, just a topic of conversation -

    Dog at the line....bird 1, bird 2, gets a no bird.

    Comes back up, all three birds go down...8 - 9 seconds pass, handler has to turn around and look at the judges..."Oh Dog"

    Dog is doing a little head swinging during the delay, handler gets the dog cued in on a bird, dog splits the difference between two birds, goes deep, has a substantial hunt, but works it's way back to the mark. Judge instructs handler to leash up his dog prior to sending on the second and third mark.

    My question is - how is that handler not allowed to pick up all three, then a decision made about whether to carry the dog or not? It isn't like you get to "0" out one of the marks, the triple is scored as one number...sure, you get a lower score, but what if that dog goes out and steps on the other two...again, this is second hand information, but it seems to me that the dog and handler should have been allowed to pick up the other two marks regardless of what happened on the first one...or given a rerun due to the judges sleeping at the switch....

    Sounds like the judges felt that the 'substantial hunt' was actually a switch.......
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    Notwithstanding what the judges did or didn't do, have you looked at the serious and moderate faults in the rulebook to see if any apply?
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    There is a lot less Monday morning quarterbacking now than 4-5 years ago but…
    If this was 2nd or 3rd series and handler had already handled to a mark and dog had “substantial” hunts on other birds in other series, it is very possible that the dog would be pointed out for lack of marking and memory. Handler may have let the dog "hunt" all over the whole test because he was out of handles and just had to roll the dice and see if the dog could stumble on the bird.
    Maybe should have received another no bird for the long delay or maybe the judge should have been quicker on the release.
    Too much missing info to be trying to throw judges under the internet bus.
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    Not throwing anyone under the bus...that's why I left out the test date, and who the judges were...this was the first series on the first bird picked up. Area of falls were separated enough that this was not a switch...dog simply hunted deep of the the first bird it was sent too, and worked its way back for the pick up.
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    Hmmm, seems the dog would have had plenty of time to mark the go bird and did not. Problem with the internet is a very complex situation can be shortened to very simple situation. I suspect the eyes of the judges saw something the handler did not or chose to ignore. Ask a cop about eye witness reliability. Then a discussion goes on in the gallery and those that were talking and not exactly watching become involved and it becomes even simpler. Just my observation of course.

    Sorry this happened but perhaps a conversation with the judges through the marshall would have answered the questions that will never be answered here.
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    Stepping on the remaining two marks does not erase the fact that dog failed the first mark. At least that must have been what the judges thought. It isn't always about "averages".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Labs View Post
    Area of falls were separated enough that this was not a switch...dog simply hunted deep of the the first bird it was sent too, and worked its way back for the pick up.
    And you know this, how? OP said this was 2nd hand info. So, you don't really know what pup did. Or how the marks were set up. Or whether pup had a good hunt, or stumbled on a bird or switched. Neither do we. And what handlers think they saw, and what the judges saw, can often diverge significantly. If the handler had a question about the call that should have been addressed immediately.
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    ...or maybe they was waitin' for the dog to quit barking and were astounded that the handler did not merely pick up his dog on account of its poor line manners.

    Who knows.
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    Was it a pointing lab???? Some judges hate pointing labs...lol
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