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    Default Ask the pro, Bobby George-Wool Gathering In Texas

    In February/March Retriever News is an interesting article by Bobby George of Blackwater Retrievers. He addresses issues with short retired guns and secondary selection and how these can be dealt with by a method called self discovery. I think that this should be of interest to those of all training styles. I think it is well worth a look.
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    I should have added that self discovery is learning done on the dog's part with a minimal amount of input from the trainer.

    Since I train my own dog, I find any articles done by pros to be especially informative.
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    George is self discovery another way of saying don't handle let the dog hunt?
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    It seems to me it's more like letting the dog find out what behavior does not result in success. In his description on secondary selection, I believe that he left a piece out of the description. When the dog goes for the wrong bird, I think he should have said that the bird is removed from the AOF so that the dog looks but doesn't find the bird. If the dog wants to find the retrieve he will discover that going for the correct bird will get him a retrieve as well as the second one as a follow up.

    I also find interesting is his mention that this was used when he had difficulties with other methods.
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    Bobby George also wrote a book and tells alot about his mentor Cotton
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    This sounds interesting - can't wait to see it. Thanks for the heads-up, George!

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    Quote Originally Posted by moscowitz View Post
    Bobby George also wrote a book and tells alot about his mentor Cotton
    If I knew, I would have looked for the book at the Decoy Show today. As it is, I came back with a copy of THE OUTLAW GUNNER signed by the author.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gdgnyc View Post
    It seems to me it's more like letting the dog find out what behavior does not result in success. In his description on secondary selection, I believe that he left a piece out of the description. When the dog goes for the wrong bird, I think he should have said that the bird is removed from the AOF so that the dog looks but doesn't find the bird. If the dog wants to find the retrieve he will discover that going for the correct bird will get him a retrieve as well as the second one as a follow up.

    I also find interesting is his mention that this was used when he had difficulties with other methods.
    Interesting thought but not sure I would want to let my dog run around the field & "self discover"..

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    Quote Originally Posted by verne socks View Post
    Interesting thought but not sure I would want to let my dog run around the field & "self discover"..
    Not running around the field and if he does, that does not get rewarded either. That is the essence of the drill. The dog discovers what doesn't work and what will work. I again want to say that the author mentions that addressing this in other ways was not getting him the success he wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by verne socks View Post
    Interesting thought but not sure I would want to let my dog run around the field & "self discover"..
    If Bobby is putting it forward in print as a way to solve a problem... you might want to try it

    Take a look at the list of FC's produced out of Blackwater while Bobby was there... Then try it...
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