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    Default Collar wise dogs, can't count !

    I remember using this 20 years ago. My 4 1/2 yo lab has been collar wise since the first HT. She get out of her box and shakes to see if the collar is on. So....at the last training day I installed two e collars, used the choker as i always do in the holding blind. On the last holding blind I removed the choker and also the dummy collar. She did the shake and felt lighter and thought the collar was off. I have trouble with her breaking at moch 10. this time when she started to get loose I gave her a good correction. maybe in a few week i can get back in the games.

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    Good luck. I hope you have other strategies that you can try if this one fails.
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    she will still know when she is at a test.
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    Yep, doesn't take them long to figure out what they can get away with at a test....
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    I had to deal with this and it seemed that the healing stick was much more efficient at reminding her that the collar is not the only way I can correct her.
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    Sometimes training a collar wise dog requires training more often without a collar.
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    Our first Golden was super intellegent, most of our dogs since Kimo are as smart as your typical Golden, which is pretty darn smart, but Kimo was off the charts. We have a half mile drive to the road and mailbox, and on weekends we walk the dogs out to pick up the mail. Kimo, left to his own, was a wanderer and would chase a deer if he could get away with it, so we always put a collar on him when we walked out to the mailbox. With a collar on he was a perfect angel, heeling very close to my side.

    Every once in a while the battery was dead so I would put the collar on him and leave the transmitter in the house, he quickly realized I didn't have a transmitter in hand and ranged out as far as he could until my voice reached that level that really meant business. So I learned to carry the transmitter even when the battery was dead. Well Kimo figured that one out by testing me little by little. He would do a small infraction that would usually involve a small nick, if he got the nick he was angel dog, no nick and he was wild wandering dog. He was very good at figuring out the collar. Fortunately he had good line manners in hunt test and never broke.

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    "Too smart for their own good."

    I'll bet you've heard that before, John.
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    Certainly hope this works for you. Keep us posted. Collar-wise dogs are an enigma. There are a lot of professional trainers who cannot cure them either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdgnyc View Post
    Good luck. I hope you have other strategies that you can try if this one fails.
    HMMM I hope also you have other strategies b/c that won't last long! She will like Ken says figure out when she is in a test or trial!!
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