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    After many back and forth decisions, I need some veteran's help choosing a training method. I have the Smartwork Basics DVD set and also "Richard Wolters Trains Retrievers". My dilemma is that both of these DVDs are on complete opposite ends of training styles. Smartwork uses the e-collar, while Richard Wolters uses a whistle. I can afford to purchase an e-collar so money isn't the problem. I guess I just need help deciding which style a trainer with more experience would suggest that I use?

    Thanks for the answers in advance!

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    I'm pretty sure that Smartworks uses a whistle too.

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    There are as many diffferent styles as there are trainers, which is to say that you'll develop your own whether you do it intentionally or not. I think a trainer's style is the product of the "mechanics" he applies in combination with his individual temperament. If you subscribe to that, then you can understand that you really can't imitate someone else's style. You can apply someone else's methods, but they may not give you the same results, because their effectiveness is partly based on the way you personally connect with and read a dog.

    The best you can do is study the experts - as many as you can, and then apply the techniques that you are most comfortable with and that get you the response you're looking for from your dog. Don't be afraid to adjust yourself, and don't expect your dog to fit a certain program that you've read in a book or watched on a DVD. Make the program fit the dog.

    A training collar is an invaluable tool. But it isn't magic, and isn't a substitute for good technique and an ability to read the obvious and subtle responses from your dog. You still have to know how to reach and teach. The collar then becomes reinforcement for concepts your dog already understands. In the wrong hands, it is at best ineffective, and at worst can permanently ruin a dog.
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    It depends on your goals. You can have a nice dog without a collar.

    But, as said earlier, done correctly you can advance your dog further and more quickly with a collar.

    You have to learn how to train a dog, plus learn how to do it with the collar. Best to get with someone who knows what to do for help along the way. Usually you join a retriever club and get into a training group.
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    I have trained dogs using both methods. There is no way I would return to my non collar days! A mentor is the fastest track to becoming a good trainer. After 16 years, I am still looking for mine.
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    Keep in mind only 1 of the 2 you mentioned ever trained dogs professionally
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbr View Post
    Keep in mind only 1 of the 2 you mentioned ever trained dogs professionally
    X2 Very diplomatically stated

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