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    I read sometime back that the rule was being changed to allow marks at 150 yds rather than 100. I just looked up the rule book on line and it still states 100. See below. Did the new rule not pass or is the rule book not up to date?


    Chapter 5
    Test Requirements for Junior, Senior
    and Master Hunting Tests
    Section 1. Test distances on land and water in all test
    levels shall be established by the Judges. Retrieves in all
    test levels should not normally exceed 100 yards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Nutt View Post
    I read sometime back that the rule was being changed to allow marks at 150 yds rather than 100. I just looked up the rule book on line and it still states 100. See below. Did the new rule not pass or is the rule book not up to date?


    Chapter 5
    Test Requirements for Junior, Senior
    and Master Hunting Tests
    Section 1. Test distances on land and water in all test
    levels shall be established by the Judges. Retrieves in all
    test levels should not normally exceed 100 yards.
    Not up to date. A suplimental sheet should be available online or thru PE. E-mail Tonya at TBR@akc.org.
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    When you talk with the AKC you might remind them the pdf format of the books is very simple to change when rules are update and pretty darn cheap compared to published books. I see no excuse for the pdf rules not to be current.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Nutt View Post
    I read sometime back that the rule was being changed to allow marks at 150 yds rather than 100. I just looked up the rule book on line and it still states 100. See below. Did the new rule not pass or is the rule book not up to date?


    Chapter 5
    Test Requirements for Junior, Senior
    and Master Hunting Tests
    Section 1. Test distances on land and water in all test
    levels shall be established by the Judges. Retrieves in all
    test levels should not normally exceed 100 yards.
    Master is the only level effected by the increased yardage change to 150 yd max marks. Senior and Junior yardages will remain unchanged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Nutt View Post
    I read sometime back that the rule was being changed to allow marks at 150 yds rather than 100. I just looked up the rule book on line and it still states 100. See below. Did the new rule not pass or is the rule book not up to date?

    Chapter 5
    Test Requirements for Junior, Senior
    and Master Hunting Tests
    Section 1. Test distances on land and water in all test
    levels shall be established by the Judges. Retrieves in all
    test levels should not normally exceed 100 yards.
    Have not marks out to 150 been allowed all along? I don't run hunt tests although I may give it a try sometime. However, note the use of the terms should and shall.
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    Here it is in the Board minutes. If I am not mistaken, the new rules are sent to clubs by letter.

    http://images.akc.org/pdf/board_minutes/1012.pdf
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    I saw it somewhere on AKC site that said 2012 rule changes and the 150 yrd is in there.

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    I finally found the rule change. It was in a letter sent out as someone mentioned above. I copied the pertinent parts below:

    1. Distance in Master Tests. Test distances in the Master level test should not normally exceed 150 yards. (Previously 100 yards.) Distances in Junior and Senior tests will remain unchanged (should not normally exceed 100 yards). Chapter 5, Section 1.
    Note: Clubs may no longer state in the event premium that marks and blinds may be in excess of the “should not normally exceed” clause.
    2. Clarification of a Triple. In Master level tests where a dog is required to retrieve a triple mark, to clarify, the following wording has been added - “The three falls must be presented before a dog is sent to retrieve any mark or blind.” Chapter 5, Section 7.
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    How strict is the "shall not exceed"? For a strictly hunt test dog, how far do you stretch him out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaeganW View Post
    How strict is the "shall not exceed"? For a strictly hunt test dog, how far do you stretch him out?
    "Shall" means just that. You can't do it....and be within the rules that is.

    Hunt test dog, gun dog or field trial dog, you always want them to be underwhelmed at tests/trials or hunting. Most HT people I've trained with will throw 200 - 300 yard marks at least occasionally to prepare their dog to be underwhelmed at tests. Marks from 100 - 250 yds were the norm for my last training group. We would then throw in check down birds/shorter marks as we neared a HT so the dogs didn't overrun everything.
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