Good catch Dennis.Then hedoes a Send back. Then he does something I have never and will not do. He repeat throws a bird to mark one, moves and throws another. His dog gets last and thenhe does a Send Back and then he casts to memory mark. The cast is an over but thecorrect cast is NOT an over. He is handling a dog on a memory mark from aremote position (this is now like a marked “blind” in many ways). The dog doesnot take the cast given but instead returns to an old mark. I think this is greatfor memory but is fraught with problems for inadvertently teaching the dog the wrong thing. In essence the dog does not take the cast (because the handler lied to the dog) and the dog return to an old fall and gets rewarded.I don’t want to get into a battle with Pete because I respect his dog work but I wanted to point out how I think the dog gets a very different lesson than might be intended even though the dog “appears” to have done something extra special. I noted that several folks thought this was a neat video and I felt it was worth discussion. Cheers Pete feel free to provide feedback in the interest of progress here.
I'll attempt to explain my ration-al behind the over or perceived lie ( depending on the point of view or take on things) to the dog.
These are 9 -10 month pups so they are still green. They just spent a few weeks learning mama papa's where I throw a mark on either side of me done as a double. its just easier for me to do it this way. The dog learns to go twice to the same gun station also. So when I give an over and a release at the same time ,,I am attemting to push the dog off my station and onto a new station. the overs will be dropped when I see the dog looking at the next mark,, which is tricky because the longer I do this the more ingrained it will be for the dog to look at me for direction. Right now they come back and look at me,,and I don't want to send them with out a push over ,,so as to help them move over on the field and get them rolling on the correct line. Soon with the aid of binoculars I will drop the over.
Also during the transition process when we are working on keeping the dog coming straight back ,,we will sometimes give and over to keep a dog off of something or go through something,,,and often the dog only angles in to hit the objective instead of taking the literal over. This also diminishes the swimby response Also sometimes we blow a come in with an over to get an angle in.. All training morphs as it progresses and the over will slowly diminish as I trust the dog more and more to go in the right direction. I have to type without thought or it will eat my time. I hope that was a good explanation,,,my time to post is very limited before I loose all the content.