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    I use, "Back." I leaned this training technique from Len Ferucci. He used, "Back."
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    I believe that Len Ferucci did that with Ripple. When he was on the road campaigning her for her derby title, he would run technical singles for her and send her back to the line. I think she turned out ok!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    My concern is sending on "back",, then sometimes handeling her to the pole to sit..

    Its like I am running a blind,, but no bird planted... Thats what I am concerned about....

    She seems to understand,, cause most times she runs right to the pole sits,,,, turns around and looks at me wanting the throw..

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    I don't usually do just send backs but rather rove around the field and throw from different spots. Your dog has to be able to line. If not you don't want to start to handle and there is nothing there for him to p/u. I think some dogs may stop before they hit the bucket, bag or marker. I have no other choice but to train this way so I like to wander around and throw from different areas of the field. You would then avoid the issue you are concerned about.
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    I hear what your saying Gooser.I was thinking the same thing.....no bird as a reward......yet. If it bothers you, you could still put a black or white bucket (or some type of marker) as his/her starting point and teach him/her to go to the bucket with a command like "place/get up there/whatever". I haven't tried this myself, I just move to a new location with him staying put. I have to get a little exercise in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Caswell View Post
    The only negative I see to stand alone's ( used to do ALOT of them) is the dog takes his eye off of the mark when it hits the ground and looks to YOU the gunner befor he/she is sent. I have a 21/2 year old that loves to run at the gun rather than the bird, and if you wait him out long enough he will eventaily look back at the bird, if you wait him out long enough but will always run to where his eyes are pointing. Did this come from doing alot of stand alone's as a young dog?? I don't know but I do know running at the gun is a recipie for alot of green ribbons in the future....
    I have not experienced this problem. He may watch me for the signal to go but he runs for the mark!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Caswell View Post
    The only negative I see to stand alone's ( used to do ALOT of them) is the dog takes his eye off of the mark when it hits the ground and looks to YOU the gunner befor he/she is sent. I have a 21/2 year old that loves to run at the gun rather than the bird, and if you wait him out long enough he will eventaily look back at the bird, if you wait him out long enough but will always run to where his eyes are pointing. Did this come from doing alot of stand alone's as a young dog?? I don't know but I do know running at the gun is a recipie for alot of green ribbons in the future....
    Maybe this is why Dennis Voigt gives a "minnie cast" towards the bumper at the same time he releases the dog?
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    I love doing place board marks with my guys. I phase out the PB and just use a white flag. I use the command "place" or "back" interchangebly. The reward is getting to the pole and getting a mark. It is a great way to get in marks when training by yourself.
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    Hang a 2-way radio on the pole.
    Then you can send her on her name, without having to shout across the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard N View Post
    I use, "Back." I leaned this training technique from Len Ferucci. He used, "Back."
    Yes, but Len sent his dogs for everything...marks, blinds, whatever... On "back". Unless my memory is failing me?
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