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    Using an e-collar there are very few "methods" one can really use. The dog either turns it off or avoids it. It's pretty simple.

    There's a lot more to a hunting test or field trial dog and if there's one thing I've noticed about Fred, it's that he's constantly trying to invent efficient ways to train on his own. Training with a group, while necessary and fun, is the least efficient dog training one will ever do. If you're trying to run a business it can be downright troublesome to sit in a gun station for three hours a day in order to run your dog for 10 minutes. As much as you want to be social and help everyone out, the time just isn't there. Unless you have a trailer load and some good helpers, training retrievers is incredibly time consuming and inefficient relative to other things.

    I can do 4-5 dogs in basic obedience at my home in the time it takes to drive, set up, run one dog and take it down.

    My guess is that Fred's bigger problem with creating a FT or HT dog isn't his lack of skills but more likely a lack of time.
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    [QUOTEPete
    i think you are reading far more into what I said. I said FRED failed miserably in his attempts. Doing something similar is not the same. I said "he can turn out a fairly obedient dog.....hunting/ht/ft not so much" the he being Fred. That said if the owner/creator of the system can't do it it is going to be an uphill battle for most using his system.
    You say you don't know what he does so that makes a comparison to what to do apples to oranges. Can you honestly say yo would recommend this system to a novice trying to trim his first dog?][/QUOTE]

    Sorry,,,,I missed that last question Cory

    No I wouldn't recommend it to a new retriever trainer because there are plenty of other things they need to learn first. I would say when your thirst has been fulfilled on the traditional stuff then its something else to learn. It does give you a tool that traditional methods don't so it is something worthwhile learning if a person wants to further their education with dogs.

    But,,I would recommend the basics for average pet training

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    [QUOTEPete

    Sorry,,,,I missed that last question Cory

    No I wouldn't recommend it to a new retriever trainer because there are plenty of other things they need to learn first. I would say when your thirst has been fulfilled on the traditional stuff then its something else to learn. It does give you a tool that traditional methods don't so it is something worthwhile learning if a person wants to further their education with dogs.

    But,,I would recommend the basics for average pet training

    Pete
    That is pretty much the point I was making. That and that Fred stepped into something he did not know enough about.
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