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    Quote Originally Posted by jim_de_hunter View Post
    Oh, no. I'm quite disappointed with his reaction to the shootings at Sandy Hook and Aurora. However, I choose to act with civility rather than screaming about it. A lot of people don't know how to have a civil discourse on the subject.
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    So today Hillary changes her stance and comes out in favor of gay marriage after having backed the DOMA which Bill C signed into law.....how come there is no peep about someone changing their mind on an issue....is it because because its politically expedient....looks like when an R does it , its a Flip-Flop, but when a Dem does it they are evolving
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    So today Hillary changes her stance and comes out in favor of gay marriage after having backed the DOMA which Bill C signed into law.....how come there is no peep about someone changing their mind on an issue....is it because because its politically expedient....looks like when an R does it , its a Flip-Flop, but when a Dem does it they are evolving
    Everyone knows it's an expedient and cynical. It's not worth wasting breath on, IMO.

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    I have to say I am very disappointed in Senator Portman's decision. I voted for him in the past. I don't know that I will in the future. It is not just that he changed his position. I question his values. Was he previously against homosexual marriage because it was politically expedient? What other positions does he profess only because it is politically expedient? What if a family member is the victim of a gun crime? Will his position on the second amendment switch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twall View Post
    I have to say I am very disappointed in Senator Portman's decision. I voted for him in the past. I don't know that I will in the future. It is not just that he changed his position. I question his values. Was he previously against homosexual marriage because it was politically expedient? What other positions does he profess only because it is politically expedient? What if a family member is the victim of a gun crime? Will his position on the second amendment switch?

    Following Jesus Christ is not easy. Our sinful flesh tempts us constantly. God's word is truth. When loved ones choose to practice sin as a way of life we as christians need to decide what is most important, our relationship with God or with our family member or friend. It is not easy. My wife and I have been faced with this type of decision and it was not easy. In the end we chose God and have been blessed because of it.

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    Is there somewhere in the new testament where Christ says to turn your back on a homosexual? (no pun intended, I just couldn't think of a better way to describe it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPL View Post
    Is there somewhere in the new testament where Christ says to turn your back on a homosexual? (no pun intended, I just couldn't think of a better way to describe it).
    No, there isn't.

    Christ never encouraged anyone to continue in their sin either.

    I didn't word my previous post the best. But, what do you consider turning your back on them? What is most important? Their earthly body or their eternal soul?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twall View Post
    No, there isn't.

    Christ never encouraged anyone to continue in their sin either.

    I didn't word my previous post the best. But, what do you consider turning your back on them? What is most important? Their earthly body or their eternal soul?

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    Obviously you don't know me. Those here who have read many of my past posts should be aware the it would be very fair to say that I question the existence of a soul. I can't prove that it doesn't exist, but I have no faith that it does.

    I find it interesting how many on the religious right will use the Old Testament teachings when they suit their purpose, but then switch to the New Testament when they like that better. It seems to me that the prohibitions against homosexuality come from Old Testament teachings (I could be wrong). I have also heard folks say that the New Testament sweeps all that away. I think that Ken's quote about the adulteress is a great example of what the New Testament is supposed to teach us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twall View Post
    No, there isn't.

    Christ never encouraged anyone to continue in their sin either.

    I didn't word my previous post the best. But, what do you consider turning your back on them? What is most important? Their earthly body or their eternal soul?

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    Separating the body from the soul is not possible and to do so is a heresy called Gnosticism. FYI, everybody loves a little church history trivia

    Christ does not say give up homosexuality them follow me, he says follow me. If we had to be perfect to be His, he would be lonely. This sin though is sexual sin, the same in magnitude as pornography or lust. If you
    Struggle with one of those are you banned from grace? No, while we were still sinners Christ died for us. Christ calls us to love each other and our enemies and let the power of the Holy Spirit do the changing ( sanctifying) in his time. I will say someone who is a homosexual but is celibate is better off than a womanizing hetero.

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    I do think that Jesus stressed the Golden Rule, that all of us were God's children, and God's mercy and love are infinite. I'm not entirely sure whether God's "New Covenant" with his people automatically erased all of the original Covenant, but certain parts were replaced. One major change was that each individual no longer needed a priestly class as an intermediary with God (although the Catholic church then changed that; and that may have been a misdirected regression).

    So ... I can see the legal aspect of allowing "civil unions", yet I still have questions in my mind about adoptions and promoting alternate lifestyle as "the norm" (since homosexual/bisexual individuals constitute only about 4% of the population). And ... I don't think I'm smart enough to come up with the perfect answer.

    I would also guess that some of the teachings of the Old Testament were based upon some reasonable earthly foundations. It is likely that pragmatic observations resulted in some of the "rules" espoused by the Jewish (and later Christian and Muslim) faith. For example, the idea of keeping a kosher table could have been linked to the dangers of food contamination that existed in those early times. Prohibitions against promiscuity and adultery undoubtedly saved many from spreading venereal diseases. Today, a kosher kitchen has become "traditional" rather than necessary. Today, our reasons for monogamous relationships are more rooted in interpersonal honesty and respect than in hygiene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudminnow View Post
    Separating the body from the soul is not possible and to do so is a heresy called Gnosticism. FYI, everybody loves a little church history trivia

    Christ does not say give up homosexuality them follow me, he says follow me. If we had to be perfect to be His, he would be lonely. This sin though is sexual sin, the same in magnitude as pornography or lust. If you
    Struggle with one of those are you banned from grace? No, while we were still sinners Christ died for us. Christ calls us to love each other and our enemies and let the power of the Holy Spirit do the changing ( sanctifying) in his time. I will say someone who is a homosexual but is celibate is better off than a womanizing hetero.
    If one looks at 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10 (Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.)
    it appears that jealousy, drunkenness, and even partying are on a par with homosexuality, but I never hear anyone making the kind of stink over those transgressions that that folks make over homosexuality. When was the last time you heard anyone ask a candidate to state their position on revelry and then suggest that they would not vote for someone because their position on revelry was unacceptable? Folks have actually put plenty of revelers, drunkards, and adulterers in office (some even in the Whitehouse).
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