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    Since in the Derby Marking is "ALL" important.
    First series Land, all dogs that did not Handle or Pickup or have any other cause for elimination fault, would get to run the second series which would be water marks by Mandate .
    By doing so all dogs would have demonstrated their Marking ability or lack thereof on both land and water.
    At that point evaluate all of the dog work and drop any dog whose remaining work, if perfect, when compared to the rest of the field with similar work in the last two series, would not get a placement.
    Do the third series , probably land, similarly evaluate then go on to a second water series.
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    1st series - triple with two retired, wipeout flyer.
    2nd series - two down the shore where the short bird lands less than 20 ft from the long guns chair - out of order of course.

    No need for any more - you are done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerard Rozas
    1st series - triple with two retired, wipeout flyer.
    2nd series - two down the shore where the short bird lands less than 20 ft from the long guns chair - out of order of course.

    No need for any more - you are done.
    That would cut derby numbers down a lot 'cause nobody'd want to play!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerard Rozas
    1st series - triple with two retired, wipeout flyer.
    2nd series - two down the shore where the short bird lands less than 20 ft from the long guns chair - out of order of course.

    No need for any more - you are done.
    That would only have to happen on Sunday, where the Open/Derby judges had just judged a 90+/ - dog Open and just wanted to get home.
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    The "dog can no longer place" theory does not apply to the derby.

    1. You NEVER know who is going to completely blow up in the last series, so there is no way to say a dog can no longer place - in a derby where there is only marking and handling is not allowed, per the rules.
    2. Every dog that gets all the chickens in a minor stake deserves a JAM - handling in the last series of a Q may or may not warrant a JAM

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    John,
    Come to riverking and watch. Next weekend Stan (judge in nationals) and myself are judging Should be fun. Thats the way all derbys should be. There is no need to be mean and the young dogs can goof up enough themselves. Besides jam ribbons are cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne Mehringer
    1. You NEVER know who is going to completely blow up in the last series, so there is no way to say a dog can no longer place - in a derby where there is only marking and handling is not allowed, per the rules.

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    Shayne, that would even be better if you had enough time .
    Let them all run them all then sort it out at the end

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    John,
    Come to riverking and watch. Next weekend Stan (judge in nationals) and myself are judging Should be fun. Thats the way all derbys should be. There is no need to be mean and the young dogs can goof up enough themselves. Besides jam ribbons are cheap.
    Steve, I'm glad to hear that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerard Rozas

    1st series - triple with two retired, wipeout flyer.
    What about running the blind off the backside of one of the retired guns? Simple enough for an older Derby pup!

    And, lets do away with the land work and see who the real water dogs are!
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    Quote Originally Posted by john fallon
    Let them all run them all then sort it out at the end
    Thats my take on how derbies should be.

    Shayne

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    not sure everyone sees it this way.

    a couple weeks ago my co- judge and i judged a derby with 40 or so dogs and called back every dog that got the chickens. then we awarded jams to all who completed the last series.(13 of 'em)

    later that week i learned many were unhappy with the derby.

    perhaps we were too generous. -paul
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