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Thread: What I would like to see in a DERBY

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    Just refer to post #76....and add 2 years to the total......

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    I hear ya .

    You and Marvin can just reference each other to some of the others.

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    It does provide an interesting retrospective....

    ....and I'm sorry your Derby thread got trashed.....I really am....

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    HAHAHAHAHA I just read this thread that I had invited Marvin to attend to see if I was qualified to judge. 1st series was a double with a flyer. Flat mowed field with trees seperating the marks (less than 200 yards) making it 2 singles. The dogs that got 1st and 2nd place the previous weekend could not find the memory bird. Ended up scrapping the test. To this day I cant figure out why the dogs could not find it even if the could find the gunner.
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    Why does everyone seem to think we need a "mandate" or rule for every aspect of setting up tests/holding field trials. Clubs need discretion to manage the entire trial, not just a single stake. Judges need to be able to exercise discretion. Pretty soon it will be just like a hunt test with a standard to run against instead of other dogs. Don't have a tape measure for making sure all blinds/marks conform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vicki Worthington View Post
    Why does everyone seem to think we need a "mandate" or rule for every aspect of setting up tests/holding field trials. Clubs need discretion to manage the entire trial, not just a single stake. Judges need to be able to exercise discretion. Pretty soon it will be just like a hunt test with a standard to run against instead of other dogs. Don't have a tape measure for making sure all blinds/marks conform.

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    It seems that some seem to think differently After all they MANDATED dropping the dog that handled after all those years. You yourself said that you didn't need a rule.

    If the Derby is ALL about marking (?), and dogs "should be tested equaly on both land and water" ......... From a relative merit standpoint , it only stands to reason that no dog should be carried/dropped until all have been tested on both.

    Since should does not seem to work Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    not sure everyone sees it this way.

    a couple weeks ago my co- judge and i judged a derby with 40 or so dogs and called back every dog that got the chickens. then we awarded jams to all who completed the last series.(13 of 'em)

    later that week i learned many were unhappy with the derby.

    perhaps we were too generous. -paul
    Well, not your intent John, but I want to thank Paul for judging the aforementioned Derby in the manner he did. Brought back a wonderful memory. I was new to the sport, ran a bunch of Derbies without success (and mostly without a clue), and my dog earned one of those JAM's in his last Derby. It was our first ribbon and, at the time, was the greatest achievement that I could imagine. It suddenly legitmized everything that I had done with my dog and inspired me to do more and to do better.

    And later, as a judge myself, his early consideration informed my own philosophy of judging minor stakes. Pick up the birds, keep playing, get a ribbon.
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    I just went through & edited my posts as i did not know how to quote at that time , not having a lot of computer skills.
    Funny thing is, not much has changed, a lot of water under the bridge & KG's source has traded their orange jump suit for
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