One more point I would like to make regarding two young men raping and abusing an unconscious girl.
I don't care if she is a pious, church-going virgin, or the town tramp that sleeps around. Both have the right to give permission and say yes or no. Using ANYONE sexually while they are unconscious and unable to give permission is rape, and it is wrong, and it is indefensible.
All I can think of this thread is that Marvin either stirs the pot because he likes all the attention, or because he actually believes that men are allowed to use women in that manner, which sounds like his belief from his statements.
1) She would not have placed herself in that situation &.
2) Young males do not feel they have license to disrespect respectable girls.
So the situation would have not happened & we would not be having this discussion.
In my line of work I had many of both sexes working for me - In our large group, where I had been the top rated engineer for years, I was the most unpopular lead with the female engineers. A couple of my bosses asked me about that - one with the idea of making an issue of it, which I quickly put to rest & the second one, who was much more conscious of goings on who stated "They don't like the fact that you treat everyone working for you the same." He further stated that one female engineer who had been gone for awhile & was looking to rehire stated she did not want to be assigned to my group. He thought that humorous as I was one of her only champions for her skills & work ethic.All I can think of this thread is that Marvin either stirs the pot because he likes all the attention, or because he actually believes that men are allowed to use women in that manner, which sounds like his belief from his statements.
You didn't think, you assumed, which makes you what? The thread was started to foment some discussion on the legal system & it's inequities & injustices, it quickly changed when folks assumed . Many of those with deep wells were more than likely scared off by the tone of the initial diatribe, which left mostly those with shallow wells to post their equally shallow opinions.
One of the neat things about POTUS is - many folks profess one thing, when put to the test they prove otherwise. Just have to start the right discussion .
& Sharon, it's not a big deal for me, I've been the lone person on one side of an issue & taken lots of abuse but later proven to have been correct. It's a ton of fun to meet those folks at a trial & look right through them as if they don't exist, shunning regards .
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No matter how respectableor not, no one deserves to be be sexually assaulted while passed out. So if you were passout drunk in your house someone could break in and do it to you because you were drunk and I do not find that respectable?
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Wow. Just wow. So people with bad reputations have no redemption and no rights to who uses their bodies.
As for putting herself in that position...turnabout is fair play here. The boys should have thought about putting themselves in the position they did as well. Because she had been drinking, she asked for it....and because they had been drinking, they get a pass.
Misogyny at its darkest. (was going to say finest, but there is nothing fine about it.)
Now...back to my other question to you (for the third time now, yet still ignored): Had one of those boys been passed out drunk, would you consider it OK to go at him with a broom handle, prison-rape style? He shouldn't have put himself in that position, right? So whatever happens to him, it is his fault.
I think it's pretty clear that Marvin just doesn't like women even if he thinks he does. Unlike what seems to be the norm among the respondents here, I never did any underage drinking, never got drunk in high school, and have never been so intoxicated that I lost awareness of what was going on or of right and wrong, so really have a pretty serious intolerance for people misbehaving while "under the influence". As a working photographer who shoots weddings and other types of celebrations, I have seen some pretty disgraceful behavior perpetuated by folks who were falling down drunk, but there has always been someone around to help be sure that things didn't devolve to the level seen in this instance.
I think the boys got off a bit light, but if the investigation continues and the adults involved are also charged, that will make up for it some. I am somewhat appalled by the girl's mother's statements since the trial, she should be hanging her head in shame for her part in this disgusting episode and keeping her mouth shut. Clearly she has dropped the ball somewhere along the way. The boys' parents have nothing to be proud of either. All should have to hang their heads in public and in this case I would even be in favor of their respective clergy pointing them out, and castigating them severely from the pulpit. A good public shaming might be a good step forward. I also think that any underage person seen in the photos or videos with alcohol in their hands should be prosecuted as should whoever supplied the alcohol. If the coach new about this or other parties like this, can his ass and run him out of town (on a rail if possible).
As to your question about the broom handle, forget the broom handle, what if it had been a plain case of homosexual rape? Would Marvin still have suggested that the young man on the receiving end was feigning unconsciousness and secretly enjoying the experience?
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I find that I am in agreement with Marvin on one point he has made, after all.
In this thread we have discovered whose wells were deep, whose wells were shallow, and that one person lives in the Gobi desert, the driest place on earth, dying of thirst because he has no well at all. And to think that he made his living as a mining engineer (without equal, of course)..... Perhaps that is why he dug such a deep hole for himself in this thread.
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The double standard also comes into play here, especially with the teenage set and clearly in Marvin's eyes. A girl who has slept with a few guys is labeled trashy and cheap. A boy who has slept with the same number of girls is lauded for his "scores". Even if one of them happens to be that same "easy" girl.