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    Absent some compelling reason otherwise (such as: my dog did not watch a specific bird, thirty dogs have run and nobody has done it, my dog is staring at a particular bird on the return from another bird), my pattern is

    1. Go bird
    2. Shortest bird remaining
    3. Next shortest bird remaining
    4. Next shortest bird remaining

    When my dogs got older (8+) and stamina became an issue, I might send for the big swim bird second while they were fresh

    But, outside v. inside never factored into my thinking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard N View Post
    I'll always (well darn near) pick them up using secondary selection. I don't care what order they are thrown. I want the dog and I on the same page working together.
    At the risk of sounding completely ignorant could you please explain "secondary selection"?

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    Read post number 11. That's about as good a description of it as I've seen.

    There's been lots of discussions on it so a search might work too. Could get some TMI on it though.
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    When training I primary and secondary select quite often just so that I have that tool in the bag if I need it but unless there is some factor in the test that tells me otherwise I pickup opposite the way they go down.

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    Secondary selection is getting the shortest bird available after the go bird is retrieved. This is a simple explanation. Primary selection is the handler determining what bird the dog is sent for, not matter whether it's short or long. Note that I have said "sent". Primary selection used to be the rage and handlers watched many a dog fail because the handler wanted the dog to get a particular bird while the dog wanted another. Now most folks train on the shortest bird available after the go bird. Since short birds thrown second in a triple in the middle of two long marks is also a very hard concept for dogs, it helped to train for always getting it second.
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    With my yellow dog, we usually go in reverse order, because that's how he wanted to get them, regardless of outside/inside. Younger black dog picks them up as Ted suggests - Go bird, shortest, next shortest, next shortest regardless of outside, inside. As a note, my yellow dog has problems with the real long punch middle bird or will overrun the indented middle, if we go outside outside middle. Convinced me that howTed suggests is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Shih View Post
    Absent some compelling reason otherwise (such as: my dog did not watch a specific bird, thirty dogs have run and nobody has done it, my dog is staring at a particular bird on the return from another bird), my pattern is

    1. Go bird
    2. Shortest bird remaining
    3. Next shortest bird remaining
    4. Next shortest bird remaining

    When my dogs got older (8+) and stamina became an issue, I might send for the big swim bird second while they were fresh

    But, outside v. inside never factored into my thinking
    My training partner almost always picked up outside, outside, inside. My dog almost always picks up as Ted described above.

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