Just a question to liven up the afternoon.
IMHO That is a distinction without a difference.I am perfectly fine loosing to other dogs own my pros truck owned by his clients
BUT
I would not take it very good if i was loosing to the pros personal dog!!!!
If you wanted to get it rolling in a hurry, you could have gone to the May,16 post "Ownership of FT Dogs" and continued!Gerard Rozas said:He he he - did not take long to get things rolling! :wink:
It happens at all levels.Bob Gutermuth said:I have seen this on occasion in the minor stakes. The pro buys a pup & puts it thru basics. They then will run the D and Q in hopes of finding a buyer. If the dog is a hot prospect they don't stay in the pros name for long and if they are a dud, who cares?
Shayne Mehringer said:....... and certainly not just to the pro that Gerard is attempting to run over with the internet bus.
Is that leather??OK, and here I thought we were really talking hypothetical here..... Does this pro live in texas? Someone tell me... inquiring minds want to know.
Susan - jumping over the net wearing a biker/tennis outfit.
Sells to a client with a contract or for a commission, he doesn't own the dog.1. Client wants out of the game, pro wants the dog to stay in his camp. Pro buys dog and continues to campaign until a new buyer is found.
They run a trial or two, they're not campaigned2. Pro trains dog up through D/Q with hopes of selling it and keeping it in his camp.
No one will begrudge them that.3. The turn pro while in the middle of a nice dogs career.
True, but if you wear green weekend after weekend or play to the end and pro's dog does well, what would you think???? One get's tired of kissing one's cousin.A. As hard as field trials are, the ability to loosen or tighten to make sure your dog finishes 1st and a client dog is 2nd is pretty much impossible.
That quickly could become a whole lot of clients. Not worth it.B. The only person affected by this is the client who thinks this may be happening to them.
ya think????C. The "do it yourself" amateur should be happy not having to run against the pro-owned dog in the Am.
No, he's sold to a client,D. Under no "ownership" circumstances should a National caliber field champion go uncampaigned.
Right on Jer-Jer. Why would a pro own a dog that could win, when he could sell him and charge handling and training fees. :?Jerry said:Any Pro with half a brain will sell or give the dog to a PAYING client!!! And this usually happens LONG before they reach All Age level.
Jerry
1. Stud fees.Right on Jer-Jer. Why would a pro own a dog that could win, when he could sell him and charge handling and training fees.
LOL! If it were me, I would think it not to be in my best interest to run my own dog besides it costing me a paying client. In a sense, isn't it kind of like they are "your" dogs anyhow. I see more potential for negative than positive coming from it.Jerry said:Any Pro with half a brain will sell or give the dog to a PAYING client!!! And this usually happens LONG before they reach All Age level.
Jerry
Uhhhhh...you are already paying him/her a goodly (is that a real word?) sum of money to train the dog every month. Why pay an additional fee to handle the dog in an event? Under the thought process of some, the Pro's job is to WIN the event anyway. Why should someone be paid twice to do what they are already being paid to do...BIG DOG said:why charge handler fees
uhhhhh he's gotta get there (fuel), gotta sleep (motel), plus he has to put up with you (in general)
I totally agree, if that is a possibility.Angie B said:No, he's sold to a client,D. Under no "ownership" circumstances should a National caliber field champion go uncampaigned.
Angie
I'm kind of with Joe on the handler fee thing. I hate paying handler's fees. I do understand the reason for charging them though. Three nights in a hotel, food, fuel etc. can get pretty darn expensive over a weekend; it adds up quick.Joe S. said:Uhhhhh...you are already paying him/her a goodly (is that a real word?) sum of money to train the dog every month. Why pay an additional fee to handle the dog in an event? Under the thought process of some, the Pro's job is to WIN the event anyway. Why should someone be paid twice to do what they are already being paid to do...BIG DOG said:why charge handler fees
uhhhhh he's gotta get there (fuel), gotta sleep (motel), plus he has to put up with you (in general)
Why not just divide the expenses of getting to/from the event equally among those owners with a dog in the event?
When the client made the decision to send the dog to Pro X, Pro X accepted the dog knowing they would have to "put up" with the client. So, for some Pro's, it's back to doing what you've been paid to do...
The "correct" answer, IMHDAO (ubp, K2, Inc.), has already been posted in this thread and it wasn't by any ex-Army, ex-Cop, chessie owning, hard-a$$ed Judging guy from Maryland's Eastern Shore that goes by a three (3) letter first name with the first and last letter matching...hypothetically speaking, ya' understand. :wink:
Baseline Volley Regards,
Joe S.
I'm kind of with Joe on the handler fee thing. I hate paying handler's fees. I do understand the reason for charging them though. Three nights in a hotel, food, fuel etc. can get pretty darn expensive over a weekend; it adds up quick.
No doubt.Ted Shih said:Brian Cockfield said
I'm kind of with Joe on the handler fee thing. I hate paying handler's fees. I do understand the reason for charging them though. Three nights in a hotel, food, fuel etc. can get pretty darn expensive over a weekend; it adds up quick.
I think when you do the math, you will discover that the total charged for handling fee exceeds expenses. So, there is a component of that fee that is a "handling" fee
Find out who owns, I think, Fargo II...Gerard Rozas said:I don't know a A class pro that does this.