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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Shih View Post

    I think Howard is simply expressing what happens in the real world. And unfortunately, I agree with his assessment.
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    Wayne or others...So if each line was the side of a football,with each end being the line and the bird ,with 1 being more on the land side and the other side took more water,the dog that stayed in the water would score lower?

    For discussion reasons lets say they both "marked "equal and that was the only deciding factor?

    I'm still very new in comparison to most,but how could the judge score an assumption that the dog that stayed in the water wasn't naturally more of a watery dog?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn White View Post
    Wayne or others...So if each line was the side of a football ,with 1 being more on the land side and the other side took more water,the dog that stayed in the water would score lower?

    For discussion reasons lets say they both "marked "equal and that was the only deciding factor?

    I'm still very new in comparison to most,but how could the judge score an assumption that the dog that stayed in the water wasn't naturally more of a watery dog?
    The rule book doesn't not say we are scoring which dog is more "watery."
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    I agree with Ted and Howard.
    I watched a series that wasn't a derby but the line to the long retired bird caught about 10 feet of a cove, dog a went fat in the water and curved back in and front footed the bird while dog B got his feet barely wet and front footed the mark. Both were off line, both showed excellent marking, but the one that got too much water won. Most onlookers agreed that the one that went fat in the water was better, but he was further off the perfect line than the other dog and both showed they marked the bird perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjrice View Post
    The rule book doesn't not say we are scoring which dog is more "watery."
    Does it say we are scoring which dog is more "cheaty"? I was just curious if that was the only thing to seperate the 2, why would the dog that stayed in the water not get the benefit. If this the line is the only factor ,or why would the dog on land get the benefit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn White View Post
    Does it say we are scoring which dog is more "cheaty"? I was just curious if that was the only thing to seperate the 2, why would the dog that stayed in the water not get the benefit. If this the line is the only factor ,or why would the dog on land get the benefit?
    That is why there is more than one series

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    It's nice if you can set up a mark that makes the cheating dog get lost. Most places don't allow you to do that though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn White View Post
    Does it say we are scoring which dog is more "cheaty"? I was just curious if that was the only thing to seperate the 2, why would the dog that stayed in the water not get the benefit. If this the line is the only factor ,or why would the dog on land get the benefit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Shih View Post
    We are judging the quality of a dog's marking, not its training. Both dogs had excellent marks. No reason to prefer one over another on the basis of that mark. You will need to look elsewhere for separation
    Thanks for the clarification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Shih View Post
    We are judging the quality of a dog's marking, not its training. Both dogs had excellent marks. No reason to prefer one over another on the basis of that mark. You will need to look elsewhere for separation
    So if you are looking at your judges sheets after the test, to decide placements, what distinctions will they show? You've got 2 dogs that both marked the fall, but on your notes you got one going on an indirect line, No? So the higher placement goes to the dog with the straighter line. How else can you tell the difference between two good dogs?
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