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    This has probably been covered time and time again, but I am thinking of running the BIG D test next month, closes tonight. I have been giving this some serious consideration. I have never participated in an AKC HT before. I have heard they can be more challenging than the HRC Started tests. How so? What makes them more difficult? Are they consistently harder or it depends on who is setting up the tests? What do I need to know before entering or going?

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    I did AKC for the first time last year after only doing HRC. Major differences I noticed is there will be flyers in Junior which is kind of a big deal. Land marks were similar in distance and placement but with the added flyer. Also water marks do not have to be in the water in AKC they can be make the dog swim across the water get out the other side and cover land to get the bird. I had about half and half. As far as distances I found them similar. Also there is the delivery to hand in AKC. Hope that helps

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    You have to wait to release your dog till judges tell you to, the ones i have ran they tend have longer marks and can land in higher cover, in started the dog has to see the mark hit the ground. And akc at least the ones i ran didn't seem to worry about it one of my marks landed over a hill. Also i ran one test where 1st mark was live flyer on land secound mark was on water. Next series 1st was water next was land. Get some live flyers and get your dog used to picking up cripples. Some what harder but still fun. I had only ran hrc so i also was worried about it but i'm pretty sure my dog didn't know it was a akc test instead of hrc

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    My experience was different than the other replies. I have never seen a live flyer at a junior test. Not to say some clubs don't use them in junior but I didn't see any until I started running senior. I didn't see much difference between the started and junior tests. As stated by the folks above: wait for dog's number to be called, delivery to hand, possibly more complexity in the form of longer distances, more cover, more terrain change, etc. Only thing I would add is no shot from the line, all shots re fired in the field.

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    I havnt seen any fliers in junior.
    Cant talk to the dog at the line after you call for birds.

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    The biggest difference is the requirement to deliver to hand. The other issue is the flyer. Young dogs will focus on the holding blind that just threw the flyer. Turning that dog to the other station can get interesting.

    A birdy dog that gets into the flyer station may not want to leave all the live quacking, flapping birds. Train for it and you will be fine.
    Mark Land

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    Distances can go to 100 yds; delivery to hand; birds must be visible in the air, not necesarily to the ground; no shot at the line (one less thing to worry about); and no choke collar or slip lead allowed once you are out of the holding blind. If your pup is trained to reliably deliver to hand and will retrieve a cripple should you be lucky enough to get a flyer - or 2 - go for it and enjoy. Let the marshall know you're a newbiey, (you won't be the only one), pay attention to the judges' instructions, and have fun.
    Good luck.

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    What about handler differences?

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    they dont discrimanate

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    Nicely played, so if I go in drag I am still treated with kindness?

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