I disagree. Good judges with good grounds and help can create separation with 8 good marks.
Not to high jack the "judging Derby" thread I thought we could start anew with something relatively close in subject matter. The above quote is from Ted on page 9. With everyone talking about cheaty lines, Deby Marks and separation why not add a 3rd bird once in awhile?
Someone mentioned and I would agree, dogs are so much better today. So if one believes that or thinks he needs a bigger test to separate do you have the kahonnies to set up a triple in a Derby? It was not an uncommon thing 30 years ago, why should it be now?