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    I ran an Amat. , a few years ago with 70 + starters , it started with a double and a blind , 16 called back to water. It's not always about how many but where you put them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verne socks View Post
    No triples needed in the derby for sure! If that would become typical I would quit running them.....
    How come Verne and everybody else who is waaaay against them?

    I've run a few derbies. I have never run one that had a triple(yet). I have never judged a derby with a triple in it either.

    Philosophically, I do not have anything against a triple in derby. I do do triples with my derby dogs when they are capable. I often run hunt tests with my derby dogs and they have triples. Doesn't seem to bother the dogs at all.

    What brings that much angst against triples in derbies? All the dogs have to run the same test and they're judged against each other.
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    Howard, I just feel it is not needed and would open up to a whole new set of issues! I feel triples will also lead into more technical or trained response than natural marking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wade View Post

    do you have the kahonnies to set up a triple in a Derby?
    Anybody can stick another gun station out in a field.

    Kahonas is not a triple in the Derby.

    It is the "just a double" in an All-Age. That takes guts and knowledge.

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    Just because Howard. Thats as good a answer as any. I think it has to do more with tradition, help, last choice grounds, nothing left in the trial game for the little dogs, not sizewise. I personaly think the derbies are a dying stake and the qual is yesterday's derby, especially with OH , the stake in with hunt tests, in our neck of the woods pros dominate the derby when most are on Fridays. The quals are on Saturday with much bigger enteries. Older derby dogs can handle triples with ease. A derby career really starts at about 18 months. So just because.
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    Triples in the Derby, why?

    Retired gun in the Derby (double fourth series if needed) why not?

    I have not and would not do a triple in the Derby.

    I have and would again retire a gun on a double in a late series if warranted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    Triples in the Derby, why?

    Retired gun in the Derby (double fourth series if needed) why not?

    I have not and would not do a triple in the Derby.

    I have and would again retire a gun on a double in a late series if warranted.
    Ed, would you mind going a little deeper with your thinking with regards to NO triple but YES retired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Carrion View Post
    Anybody can stick another gun station out in a field.

    Kahonas is not a triple in the Derby.

    It is the "just a double" in an All-Age. That takes guts and knowledge.

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    Throwing a double, there are just four ways you can throw it. If you expand to a triple you could go up to three times
    that configuration. Now add some judges who want to be remembered for their mini national and it gets down right silly.
    It will quickly get out of hand, fountains, indents, two retired where does it stop. If all judges were on the same page Ok, but, they are not. I have judged many derbies, put a bunch on the derby list, but, never set up or run a triple in the derby. You can retire a gun by sitting down out of sight from the line nothing wrong with that and like Ed have retired some and ran some. Just think with bird placement, conventional wisdom, you can put two birds out there most of the time that will test the little dogs marking. I still think in my previous post it is a dying stake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Carrion View Post
    Anybody can stick another gun station out in a field.

    Kahonas is not a triple in the Derby.

    It is the "just a double" in an All-Age. That takes guts and knowledge.

    JMO

    Tim

    that one in Idaho comes to mind....followed by the blind reversed from the top of the hill.....ugg..didn't do so hot on that one.

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