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    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    ...Your first quoted sentence above can only partly explain how you could make as ridiculous a statement as you did in your second sentence
    Those two statements are based on MY experiences. Not theory.

    We used to have sustainable wild pheasant populations worth hunting, within driving distance to me.
    That was over a decade ago.
    Not anymore.

    The notion of hunting wild pheasants in 95% of the country, is self delusion today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post
    The notion of hunting wild pheasants in 95% of the country, is self delusion today.
    I love hearing that from guys in the midwest. I really do. Head to a preserve. Ohio, Indiana, Lower Michigan, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, South Dakota, North Dakota, Wyoming, Nebraska, Colorado, Wisconsin, Idaho, Utah and Washington all have birds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HNTFSH View Post
    I love hearing that from guys in the midwest. I really do. Head to a preserve. Ohio, Indiana, Lower Michigan, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, South Dakota, North Dakota, Wyoming, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Idaho, Utah and Washington all have birds.

    Takes work and takes a good dog.
    It's not worth the effort, or expense, in Illinois or Iowa anymore.

    Sure, they have "birds". But, they aren't wild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post
    It's not worth the effort, or expense, in Illinois or Iowa anymore.

    Sure, they have "birds". But, they aren't wild.
    lol...ever been with a conservationist on a spring/summer count?

    You're fooling yourself if you think the state is distributing hens, roosters, and poult every spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HNTFSH View Post
    ...You're fooling yourself if you think the state is distributing hens, roosters, and poult every spring.
    The state isn't.

    The overflow from the preserves, has the biggest influence on area populations. At least that's my take.

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    I like my dog to be steady to every flush and gun shot. Regardless if its a wild pheasant or grouse. If your worried about runners teach your dog to track birds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post
    The state isn't.

    The overflow from the preserves, has the biggest influence on area populations. At least that's my take.
    Like I said - there's wild bird populations in a lot of the US. You have to find 'em. It takes habitat. Find habitat - find birds. That simple.

    Now getting them up - that's where the dog comes in.

    Preserve hunting doesn't train a dog to work at it for 6-7 hours on very little scent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post
    The state isn't.

    The overflow from the preserves, has the biggest influence on area populations. At least that's my take.
    Very few planted preserve birds survive for long. Survival long enough to reproduce is miniscule at best

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    Quote Originally Posted by Im_with_Brandy View Post
    I like my dog to be steady to every flush and gun shot. Regardless if its a wild pheasant or grouse. If your worried about runners teach your dog to track birds.
    I prefer not to waste the dogs energy or mine tracking a broken winged bird for 90 minutes to find it ran through a fence row.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    Very few planted preserve birds survive for long. Survival long enough to reproduce is miniscule at best
    I agree.

    It wasn't too long ago, at least it doesn't seem like it, that I'd see dozens of pheasants getting gravel on a morning drive through the country.

    Not anymore.

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