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    Quote Originally Posted by HNTFSH View Post
    Might be breaking or cheating to a duck dog. It is working for an upland dog. Or a good dual-purpose dog.
    That's Human logic.

    It's lost on a dog.

    When you think about dog training, it's mostly a case of over-achieving specific objectives, and then letting them regress to meet the situation. Dogs are good at that. They quickly learn what they can get away with in one setting, and can't get away with in another.

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    The dog logic is it wants to catch the bird, that's the fun part. The human logic is "I'll make the dog sit" but let it regress as I chose and introduce variables of behaviour.

    Do the math for me since 'control' seems to be your point:

    In any given year - how many upland tests would you need to run to equal the number of pheasant hunting flushes you get?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HNTFSH View Post
    In any given year - how many upland tests would you need to run to equal the number of pheasant hunting flushes you get?
    They don't have enough Upland tests in a year to even come close.

    I'll readily confess that my dogs mostly hunt preserve birds.
    And, I'll also add that an HRC Upland test, gets a dog jacked up on bird crack, like nothing else.

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    That's the difference in perspective. Sit-to-flush is great for tests and preserves.

    It takes a lot out of a dog tracking a broken-wing wild rooster that will never fly to gun again. The dog HAS to catch it to put it in the bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HNTFSH View Post
    That's the difference in perspective. Sit-to-flush is great for tests and preserves.

    It takes a lot out of a dog tracking a broken-wing wild rooster that will never fly to gun again. The dog HAS to catch it to put it in the bag.
    The biggest difference between test/preserve birds, and wild birds, as far as it comes to catching them, is that my dogs catch a lot of test/preserve birds, without me expending a shell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post
    The biggest difference between test/preserve birds, and wild birds, as far as it comes to catching them, is that my dogs catch a lot of test/preserve birds, without me expending a shell.
    That's why I don't mess with preserves unless am training confidence in a young one. It's more fun to hunt preserves over a steady pointer.
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    Pointing is rude.

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    But not as rude to the pointer as sending your dog into flush it (and retrieve it).
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    The Pointer didn't really want to retrieve it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post

    I'll readily confess that my dogs mostly hunt preserve birds.
    And, I'll also add that an HRC Upland test, gets a dog jacked up on bird crack, like nothing else.
    You really need to quit arguing dog theory, get out from behind your computer, and deal with dog reality

    Your first quoted sentence above can only partly explain how you could make as ridiculous a statement as you did in your second sentence

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