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    Default Why singles versus double or triples

    Why do most people train using single marks in training most of the time when you are faced with doubles and triples in test?

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    Mechanics. Singles get a dog to focus on the mark at hand. Too many multis and you get a dog that head swings and never focuses on one mark well. Multi's aren't hard for a dog to get when worked with sparingly. Some have formulas to go by, like 1 out of 4 or 5 marking setups might be multiples. More or less of them depends on the dog.
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    I'm a believer in balance so I don't ignore multiples but I don't always do multiples either.
    More singles allows the dog to learn to concentrate on each individual mark and to recognise the factors he has to deal with.

    If you always run the triple or quad the dog starts anticipating the next mark before the current mark hits the ground.

    That's just a partial explanation.

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    Well, you've got to learn to crawl before you walk and you have got to learn to walk before you run. Singles are always a great confidence booster for an experienced dog too. I should probably run more. If my pal is having a rough day with multiple marks I like to finish with a few singles to build us both up. Up here in Minnesota we are coming out of a long tough winter. Singles are always a good start after an extended layoff.

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    What you do is dependent on what your dog needs. You need to do some multiples so your dog knows what to do when faced with a multiple. You need to do singles to work on things like head swinging.
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    Singles with one gun are used to improve basic marking, develop confidence, initial shore breaking and
    Teach the fundamentals of holding a line. Singles off multiple guns open up a whole world of concepts that will help you and your dog learn how to properly run multiple marks.
    Research Retrievers on Line publications for details.
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    Don't think that all age dogs don't see many multiples. My two see as many as I can give them. Singles sometimes, especially when I'm training alone, but more marks as multiples than singles most weeks. Singles off multiple setups sometimes. When they were younger I did more singles, especially singles off multiples, than I do now. Hell, when they were younger I did more marks with them period.
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    I agree with Ted in that it all depends on the dog and what he needs work on at the time. I was running a lot of field trial multiples with singles sprinkled in. I noticed my dog was not focusing like he should especially on short and medium length birds and he was getting a little loose at the line, not breaking or creeping but just not being a very good teammate. As a result, his marking was diminishing. I've since started training heavily on singles off multiple guns and emphasizing obedience and teamwork. I get him locked in on a gun, launch the bird, and count to five. If he swings his head before five, I re-focus him on the bird and count to five again. It has made a huge difference in the accuracy of his marking and how much better he's working with me at the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Walker View Post
    I get him locked in on a gun, launch the bird, and count to five. If he swings his head before five, I re-focus him on the bird and count to five again. It has made a huge difference in the accuracy of his marking and how much better he's working with me at the line.
    that is a great tip.....thanks

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    I use singles most of the time in training because of head swinging problems that have happened. I will use the count to five method also. Thanks

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