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    I was interested in what others do to stop their dog from running to the birdboy rather than going to the bird? We had quite a discussion about this topic last week and everyone had a differnt opinion. I would be pleased if others would comment on this topic.
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    Shorten up distance for a while, and have your bird boy throw long flat throws that land far from him. Do this over enough time to form a habit of running to the fall, not the BB.

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    Big old flat throws, and I mean BIG. Not the distance to the mark but big throws from the BB.

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    Same as the other guys - shorter marks and long throws - and be sure to line up the dog to the mark not the BB
    but here is my wacky idea -
    make the path to the BB more difficult w/obstacles than the path to the bird. young dogs don't like tough cover so use that to your advantage if possible.
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    It can depend on the age of the dog too. Although, shortening up and long square throws into light to no cover can't hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinismybrother View Post
    Same as the other guys - shorter marks and long throws - and be sure to line up the dog to the mark not the BB
    but here is my wacky idea -
    make the path to the BB more difficult w/obstacles than the path to the bird. young dogs don't like tough cover so use that to your advantage if possible.
    I would never teach them to avoid cover in any circumstance.

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    Originally Posted by Kevinismybrother
    Same as the other guys - shorter marks and long throws - and be sure to line up the dog to the mark not the BB
    but here is my wacky idea -
    make the path to the BB more difficult w/obstacles than the path to the bird. young dogs don't like tough cover so use that to your advantage if possible.
    I would never teach them to avoid cover in any circumstance.
    not teaching them to avoid cover - using it to my advantage to AVOID the BB. that was the OP's question. once the dog is running to the mark and not the BB, you can work on cover for the mark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinismybrother View Post
    not teaching them to avoid cover - using it to my advantage to AVOID the BB. that was the OP's question. once the dog is running to the mark and not the BB, you can work on cover for the mark.
    Yes, but to use a physical factor like cover in that way is directly training the dog to avoid it. Avoiding the bird boy becomes a co-benefit. The risk outweighs the benefits in that case. Do you see what I'm saying?

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    Evan, I understand your thinking - and I said it was wacky.

    I certainly wouldn't advocate it for any length of time.

    I have a dog that has learned to run to the gunning station before veering to the bird, and we have tried lots of things to get him to run straight to the mark. He, for one, does not cheat cover. The best thing for HIM is lots and lots of walking singles where I throw the bird and send remotely.

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    I am working through the same problem with my 7mo. The long flat throws are helping, but the problem comes back when i run remote singles.

    What has been helping me is to throw the mark. Send the dog, "remote or by his side" If he works to the thrower i throw another mark right at the first one. Thus far it takes him right to the mark. I thik that over time this will fix the issue.

    Im a rookie so this is just my .02

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